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Oct-13-15
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  chessgames.com: <Zanzibar> You are correct, it is a sorted list of players according to highest achieved rating. For most events it's not used (unless you fiddle with the URL); when it is used, it's in situations where the leaderboard would not be appropriate and the software cannot figure out who is actually in the lead. (The obvious example, knockout formats, but there are plenty of other situations that fit the bill.)

<Suppose I'd like to know the placing of a player who fell off the first page of the standings list?> Good question, I think I made a hack to allow admins to see the full list but it's never been a publicized feature. A little link that reads "full list" would solve the issue.

Oct-14-15  zanzibar: chessgames:

<For most events it's not used (unless you fiddle with the URL); when it is used, it's in situations where the leaderboard would not be appropriate and the software cannot figure out who is actually in the lead.>

Isn't it also used when there are more players than can fit on one page, even when the standings can be determined.

(Case in point: WC Blitz)

Oct-15-15  FairyPromotion: CG, a couple of months ago there was a request by <offramp> for having an Agincourt Defense game for the 600th anniversary of the Battle of Azincourt (October 25th.) I was wondering if you would be open for suggestions, or have you picked a game already?
Oct-15-15
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  Tabanus: <CG> It's a little disappointing that the WC rapid and blitz tables are wrong long time after the event. Does the software set the game results? For example, D Bocharov vs Mamedyarov, 2015 ended 0-1 (rapid round 1!), and Ivanchuk got 14,5 points (not 13) in blitz.
Oct-15-15  zanzibar: Can <CG> please restore a couple of my posts which got deleted from a member's forum?

I posted some comments in response to this comment:

A J Goldsby (kibitz #2793)

where DomDaniel gives a recommendation to Dvoretsky's Endgame Manual.

It was my understanding that AJ was essentially inactive (last post Jun-07-2014).

So, did he delete my comments? If not him, who?

I spent enough time, and there's plenty enough content, to make my comments of sufficient value to restore. If I had thought my comments would be deleted I would have posted them elsewhere and left a forwarding link in AJ's forum.

So - can <CG> please restore my comments in, say, the Kibitz Cafe (or the Bistro)?

Thanks.

Oct-15-15
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  chessgames.com: <FairyPromotion: CG, a couple of months ago there was a request by <offramp> for having an Agincourt Defense game for the 600th anniversary of the Battle of Azincourt> I am well aware, our calendars have a big red circle around it like it was Christmas. No, we haven't actually picked a game. Feel free to email suggestions to chess@chessgames.com.
Oct-15-15
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  chessgames.com: <<CG> It's a little disappointing that the WC rapid and blitz tables are wrong long time after the event.> That is disappointing, but it's worth noting that in, say, the case of Bocharov vs Mamedyarov, the first correction slip did not come in until late yesterday (coincidentally your slip followed it by an hour or so.)

<Does the software set the game results?> The software sets the result to what we receive. We received 1/2-1/2 for that so that's what we set it as. Perhaps because it was a rapid/blitz event the chances of getting bad scores followed up with corrections is more likely. I have a plan to remedy this, to make a special clause that only affects games that are less than a week old.

Meanwhile, I'll have the Librarian go through the outstanding slips.

Oct-15-15
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  chessgames.com: <Zanzibar> It's not easy for me to just undelete and repost that to the forum of your choice, and besides, since I never removed Mr. Goldsby's power to moderate that page it's entirely his prerogative to delete your posts.

In the future, don't post things you can't afford to lose to his page. Nevertheless, I can salvage this. Feel free to repost it where needed:

+ + + + + + + + + + + +

zanzibar: RE: Endgame books

Check out the endgame book Carlsen has by his side in the (in)famous <Too weak, too slow> blitz game with Fressin:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY2...

I actually have both books, and its a dream of mine that someday I'll manage to actually open one of them in a meaningful way.

By the way, I found a PGN transcription of the blitz game here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comm...

Does anybody know what Carlsen is actually saying about 1:55 in, when he says

<No draw for (you)>

https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comm...

Neither I, or the reddit site, could figure it out.

Oct-15-15  zanzibar: <chessgames> Many thanks for that, and apologies for getting my getting "bit".

I was reading posts where people were saying AJ had, to paraphase, "had it" with <CG> and left it for good. I know he doesn't post anymore, for a long, long time.

I was prompted to make my post because I saw DomDaniel had mentioned another endgame book. Since I almost always see people mentioning one and the other I thought I should mention - plus the fact that Carlsen used it was interesting in and of itself.

Anyways, as the saying goes - once bitten, twice shy.

* * * * *

Actually, speaking of twice...

Could I please impose on you once more to recover the follow-up post I made with the links to the FCE book and reviews?

(I think it a shame that valuable chess info like a simple recommendation would get deleted, but I respect the right of AJ, and everyone else for that matter, to manage their forum as they see fit. You'll notice I very rarely post to personal forums - and this is exactly one of the major reasons)

Oct-15-15  zanzibar: <chessgames> no need to dig out the third, and last, deleted post - I can paraphase...

Carlsen is saying "No draw for bad Frenchman".

Give the video another view and you'll see it fits, and is the line that gets the most laughs.

Oct-16-15
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  Tabanus: <Meanwhile, I'll have the Librarian go through the outstanding slips.>

Ok. It may be easy for me to say this. But I think that if you don't try harder to have the tables right, you won't get enough slips to correct them. Examples:

World Blitz Championship (2015). A glance at the official site (http://www.berlin2015.fide.com/blit...) and Chess-Results (http://www.chess-results.com/tnr190...) shows that even if you now have processed slips on Ivanchuk, the table is still wrong: Nepomniachi should have 14,5 points. It also takes less than a minute to see that the reason for this is that I Nepomniachtchi vs Grigoriants, 2015 is given 0-1, instead of 1/2.

Many tables are wrong, because the slips are not in yet. Will they ever be in? Example no. 2:

PokerStars IoM Masters (2015). A glance at the table shows that some players (Arkell, Nakar, Houska) have 10 (not 9) games. Have you received correction slips for those? You could have compared J Houska vs Arkell, 2015 with J Houska vs Arkell, 2015 and got rid of one duplicate yourself.

Let's go 5 years back. Example 3:

World Blitz Championship (2010). Some players have 38 games, others 37. One Aronian-Mamedyarov game is missing, and what more? The official site is down, and the golden chance you had to have the World Blitz Championship (2010) table correct and with all the games a mouse-click away is now gone?

Five years with wrong table is a long time anyway. Tip: A lot of orig. tournament data can be found at http://www.chess-results.com/Turnie..., but I don't know the details how it works.

I think my point is: you set the standard - not the correction slip senders.

Oct-16-15  disasterion: There seems to be some confusion over today's GOTD - the front page says So vs Aronian, and presumably should be aiming here:

W So vs Aronian, 2015

but the link on the front page takes you here:

Aronian vs Morozevich, 2006

Oct-16-15
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  chessgames.com: <disasterion> You are absolutely correct. Our apologies for that mix up (although the both are wonderful games). It now points to the intended game.
Oct-16-15
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  chessgames.com: < think my point is: you set the standard - not the correction slip senders.> Tabanus, I know exactly what you are saying, and I think a technological solution will solve 90% of the problems.

<It also takes less than a minute to see that the reason for this is that I Nepomniachtchi vs Grigoriants, 2015 is given 0-1, instead of 1/2.>

OK, now maybe I feel stupid, but the situation is this: the official PGN I see shows 0-1. I noticed from the progression of Nepo's score (perhaps not the best place to look) that FIDE believes he scored 1/2 point there. I even mentioned this in the editor's notes to the game:

<I have indirect reason to believe this game was drawn due to the progression of game results found at http://www.berlin2015.fide.com/blit... -- chessgames.com>

Also, for what it's worth, the computer says that Black has a good edge. I didn't feel confident to change the result, especially since the official site has PGN that declares otherwise.

The case of Nepomniachtchi vs Grigoriants is a bit unusual. The technological change that I want to implement: to be more sensitive to updated games. However, when the official site's leaderboard contradicts the PGN they have, I almost regard it as a feature that our leaderboard mismatches. It proves that there is a problem that need identifying.

Oct-17-15
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  Tabanus: <CG> Ivanchuk and Nepomniachi were two players with wrong scores. There are eight more players with wrong scores only on the list of 29 that you show. So with 188 players it could be about 63 players with wrong game result(s).

Examples (CG vs official site):

Alekseev and Petrosian have a whole point too much. Perez 1/2 point too much, Kazimdzhanov, Gelfand and Fedoseev 1/2 point little. Korobov and Andreikin also 1/2 point or more too little.

This is a lot, and I think the pgn results are set by the electronic boards? Losing on time, resigning in an even or won position, agreeing to draw in a winning position because of time trouble, failing to put the kings in the middle afterwards, putting the kings in the middle on wrong squares (which I heard will affect the game result), etc., you name it, and the boards get it wrong.

I honestly doubt you can solve 90% of all this by technical means. You would have to do some manual work also.

It seems like a lot of work though, to get most of the games right. To end with a positive note:

E Alekseev vs C Bauer, 2015 should be 0-1, E Alekseev vs M Kravtsiv, 2015 should be 1/2, A Korobov vs L Dominguez, 2015 should be 1/2, Kasimdzhanov vs V Fedoseev, 2015 should be 1-0, V Fedoseev vs M Kravtsiv, 2015 should be 1-0, Gelfand vs R Wojtaszek, 2015 should be 1-0, T L Petrosian vs Dreev, 2015 should be 0-1, S Zhigalko vs D Andreikin, 2015 should be 0-1.

Oct-17-15
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  chessgames.com: In view of all of the problems that you brought to light, I have to agree, my 90% guess was a bit optimistic. At least with this tournament it is. It's not normal for the official site to release bad PGN then not repair it.

Usually our problem comes from PGN that changes after the initial release, and our software ignores the changed version in preference for the original. That's the issue which zanzibar and I discussed at great length and could be fixed to some extent.

In this case the game scores are simply wrong and the official site seems content that as long as their leaderboard is fine, nothing else matters.

We could too adopt that policy and leave the bad games in the database and edit the leaderboard directly. I understand the motivation to do that, but personally I'd rather have the bad leaderboard as a reminder that there are games need fixing.

Oct-18-15
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  FSR: According to reports on Facebook, IM Emory Tate collapsed and died at a chess tournament yesterday. If so, you will probably want to have him be POTD today.
Oct-18-15
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  FSR: Also Twitter: https://twitter.com/search?q=Emory%...
Oct-18-15
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  Tabanus: <CG> The wrong game scores is sad news for you and us all. I hope it's limited to this tournament and a few others, and don't really know how it is all over. I fear it's worse than we like to think.

<personally I'd rather have the bad leaderboard as a reminder that there are games need fixing.> Me too! But without fixing them, we end up with not much more than a place-holder for kibitzing.

The leaderboard show the top 29 players, and I could compare the scores and identify the wrong games without too much work. For the remaining 160 players the total score is not shown. Perhaps a first step could be to show the total score for all players? Somehow, if at all possible. So that the culprits can be found more easily.

You are processing my correction slips very fast these days. I could make an effort for some weeks on the "new" tournaments. But as you admit, you set the standard for us purists.

Oct-18-15
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  Tabanus: <Perhaps a first step could be to show the total score for all players?> Sorry, I see now that the "edit standings" covers total score for all players! But only editors can see them.

Perhaps the question is, should CG compare the pgn with the leaderbord for every game, each time they upload a batch (or round) of games.

Oct-18-15
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  Tabanus: Well I sent correction slips for the 45 games I could find with wrong result. Not so bad perhaps after all!

45/1970 = 2,28%, or about 1 of 44 games.

Oct-18-15  zanzibar: <Perhaps the question is, should CG compare the pgn with the leaderbord for every game, each time they upload a batch (or round) of games.>

I would think yes.

Oct-18-15
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  MissScarlett: Capablanca vs T Bray, 1919 is playing up.
Oct-19-15
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  chessgames.com: <IM Emory Tate collapsed and died at a chess tournament yesterday.> Oh dear, that's very sad indeed. A genuine American chess treasure.

We're only 45 minutes into the day, I will make him POTD immediately.

Oct-19-15  Boomie: <Chessgames.com> The notice for the European Club cup mentions Nakamura, Caruana, Aronian, and Kramnik. However I don't see these players in the list.
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