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Jul-16-09
 | | Domdaniel: <Golf Latest> Mar tee, scores easy. |
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Jul-16-09
 | | Domdaniel: Casey, no? |
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Jul-16-09
 | | OhioChessFan: Who is the old guy
That's leading all the young punks
Shows them how it's done |
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Jul-16-09
 | | Domdaniel: What's on? |
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Jul-16-09
 | | Domdaniel: Wait ... no ... it's Korchnoi. |
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| Jul-16-09 | | mack: Victor? 'e's mine. |
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Jul-16-09
 | | Domdaniel: Too Che. |
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| Jul-16-09 | | mack: I've not appeared on a student's wall for a long time, I'll have you know. |
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| Jul-16-09 | | twinlark: Dead and bereted? |
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| Jul-17-09 | | twinlark: <Too Che>: fence sitting. |
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Jul-17-09
 | | Open Defence: moi aussie |
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| Jul-17-09 | | twinlark: Indian Queen's Defence. |
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| Jul-17-09 | | achieve: <Domdaniel: Casey, no?> heh - that one tweek me err... some 13 hours Mr. Sloe
Echoe Department |
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Jul-17-09
 | | Domdaniel: Took me even longer.
Casey at the bat out of Helsinki. |
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Jul-17-09
 | | Domdaniel: And the winner of this round of the Punic Wars is ... <twinlark>, with "Indian Queen's Defence". The judges liked its aptness, its inclusion of chess and fencing, and its subtle proof that the sword is mightier than the pen (is). Especially when you have to untie Gordy's Knot. Or, with colours reversed: S Knott vs S Gordon, 2006 |
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Jul-17-09
 | | TheAlchemist: <Domdaniel> If you don't mind, I've just borrowed that last one. |
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Jul-17-09
 | | Domdaniel: <Alchemist> Not at all. In any case, there seems to be a spare: S Knott vs S Gordon, 2009 |
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Jul-18-09
 | | Domdaniel: Remember the First Amendment, <Sugar>? To the US Constitution? Goes like this ... <Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.> So JOKING or SERIOUS or plain BANANAS, there's no violation of US law that I can see. <Me I romp and stomp/ thankful as I romp/ without freedom of speech/ I might be in the swamp> as the author of John Wesley Hardin said. So? So what? Also, only narks and informers and grasses turn folks in to the authorities, and history - even the history written by those same authorities - takes a dim view of them. Doc Sportello. |
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Jul-18-09
 | | Domdaniel: Back in 1963, Pynchon noted the human tendency to see cabals in place of caries: conspiracies instead of tooth decay. As sugar has a link with cavities ... and Cavite ... it's unclear whether this is a mental or dental health problem. But the new Pynchon novel is called <Inherent Vice> and that's enough for me. |
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Jul-19-09
 | | Open Defence: <sugar has a link with cavities> macavity macavity ... |
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Jul-19-09
 | | Domdaniel: "Stranger, approach this spot with gravity,
Doc Holloway's fillin' his last cavity." |
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| Jul-19-09 | | Bradah: How about this, Domdaniel? What say you about the first amendment issue? Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire (1942)
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1. That part of c. 378, ยง 2, of the Public Law of New Hampshire which forbids under penalty that any person shall address "any offensive, derisive or annoying word to any other person who is lawfully in any street or other public place," or "call him by any offensive or derisive name," was construed by the Supreme Court of the State, in this case and before this case arose, as limited to the use in a public place of words directly tending to cause a breach of the peace by provoking the person addressed to acts of violence. Held: (1) That, so construed, it is sufficiently definite and specific to comply with requirements of due process of law. P. 573 . (2) That, as applied to a person who, on a public street, addressed another as a "damned Fascist" and a "damned racketeer," it does not substantially or unreasonably impinge upon freedom of speech. P. 574 . (3) The refusal of the state court to admit evidence offered by the defendant tending to prove provocation and evidence bearing on the truth or falsity of the utterances charged is open to no constitutional objection. P. 574 . 2. The Court notices judicially that the appellations "damned racketeer" and "damned Fascist" are epithets likely to provoke the average person to retaliation, and thereby cause a breach of the peace. P. 574 91 N.H. 310, 18 A.2d 754, affirmed. |
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Jul-20-09
 | | Domdaniel: <Bradah> I accept all that. I do not accept that, in the current contretemps, an 'average person' - or that legal fiction, the 'reasonable man' - would be driven to retaliation. Merely because somebody was, in fact, 'driven' to retaliate does not make the action reasonable, or retroactively turn the alleged provocation into a breach of the peace. This is a chain reaction. A cascade, to use a different set of metaphors. Personally, I don't much care what happens on the Wesley So page, or any other player page. I don't even look at my own very often. My interest in the 'fan' side of chess is minimal. But I've been following this one, because I'm interested in what might be called psycho-nationalism. Where a group gets an almost paranoid sense of its own significance. From my perspective, this is what happened: <tpstar> listed some types of posts, with quotes, one of which happened to be an old line of Richard's. Richard has explained himself pretty well elsewhere. <SugarDom> reacted wildly. First, by spamming all over the site, here included. Second, by the weird twist of logic that jumped from the RT quote to the insane notion that "we" (who, exactly? So fans? The So-fan cyber-barangay? All Filipinos?) were being deeply insulted with the unspeakable allegation that they supported 9/11. Which is patent nonsense.
I, for example, would never have thought such a thing. It was sneaky of <tpstar> to deploy a totally unrelated quote, I agree with that much. And, in any case, it wasn't really an example of 'conspiracy theory' - it was more like what I think Annie K called 'blunted emotion'. But no rational person would read into it what <SugarD> did. Anyway, thanks for responding. I live in a country that has just passed a law against blasphemy. Freedom of speech would be nice. |
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Jul-20-09
 | | Annie K.: Somebody called me?
<It was sneaky of <tpstar> to deploy a totally unrelated quote, I agree with that much. And, in any case, it wasn't really an example of 'conspiracy theory' - it was more like what I think Annie K called 'blunted emotion'. But no rational person would read into it what <SugarD> did.> Ah, yes. Hello. No, I didn't say that, actually.
But while I'm here, and feeling uncharacteristically communicative this week, I might as well comment. :) Actually, I disagree that no rational person would read into it what <SD> did, because it only takes a little self-centeredness to think things are aimed at oneself, which is perfectly normal. On the other hand, it is also perfectly normal for people not to constantly take everybody else's self-centeredness into account, which is why <tpstar> can't really be held responsible for not anticipating <SD>'s reaction either. I reckon most times people <don't> misunderstand each other, are (astonishingly common, considering) accidents. :p I also disagree with the rest of the paragraph, incidentally, but I can see that it is based on Dom not having done his/your homework. <tpstar> wasn't being sneaky, he was doing exactly what he said he was doing - listing examples of cult syndrome symptoms. Dom, your comment "it wasn't really an example of 'conspiracy theory'" tells me that you haven't really followed up what was being said in Taylor's original post, as it was in fact exactly a conspiracy theory. I will quote here the whole paragraph in question, with attention to the relevant sentences. (Wait, "sentences"? No, that's not right... ah, heck, whatever - I mean, "what passes for sentences in Taylor's universe".) Anyway... <RT: <<well ...yes ... hhmmm... I can understand the sentiment..but maybe said at the wrong time and a bit stongly - but a courageous thing to say - <the trouble is - I suspect S/11 was organised by the US to energise their War Of Terror> - their wonderful "En doo ring Freeee domb" (by bomb) - but of course whoever "did the Towers" (and no one knows who did - who do you believe? - there was never proper investigation) put on <a spectacular display - I enjoyed watching it on the day> - the history of US oprresion and invasions etc is so bad since 1945 that one feels sympathy with those who express such things - but of course one has to be a "diplomat" (up to a point) and, while most/or much of the world THOUGHT what Fischer SAID - most stayed silent in fear they would get hammered first!! ( by napalm for Xmas etc)<<<<>>>>>>> You are excused on the grounds of Taylor's posts being notoriously difficult to read. ;p But as you can see (or should, IMO anyway) <tpstar>'s inclusion of this quote was both justifiable, and aptly described. As you were. ;p |
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| Jul-20-09 | | Bradah: My only point is freedom of speech has it's own limitations. What I think tipped off the mess is when Tpstar used the word "cult" to Wesley So fan. It was taken as an insult. The cult became a sector, then a race and ethnicity, then the language issue. If you add all these up, it spells trouble. It's like watching, "the never ending story". |
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