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May-28-11
 | | Annie K.: I'd even pay, if you promise not to tell me about them... ;) I like to understand references too, but, for the most part, the idea that reference is being made to some pop culture personage and/or quote is clear enough, and - again for the most part - that in itself is quite enough by way of "getting the reference". <Saw some innaresting abstract paintings today.> Was that by way of work? :) |
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May-28-11
 | | Domdaniel: <Was that by way of work? :)>
Unfortunately, yes. Much as I'd like to say I went for fun, I seem to be back in the art-crit game. Which is also fun. |
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May-28-11
 | | OhioChessFan: <A pose, even. *Nobody* is entirely disconnected, much as we might wish to be. There's simply too much data trash in the semiotic environment.> A real conversation.
My cousin the movie buff: Do you want to play Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon? Me: Who's Kevin Bacon? |
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May-28-11
 | | Annie K.: <Dom> that's great, even if you object. :p <Ohio> thanks. ;) |
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May-28-11
 | | OhioChessFan: I do know now, somehow, he was in Apollo 13. I'm pretty sure I've never seen a movie he's been in. |
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May-28-11
 | | Domdaniel: <Ohio> What are Degrees? |
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May-28-11
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Dom> "What are degrees" That's actually not a simple question by any means.
I watched a documentary called "What is One Degree" and the narrator had all manner of grief trying to get a straight answer from an assortment of engineers, physics professors, and other lunatics. The best part was when he constructed his own thermometer and then he took it back to the scientist he had been interviewing and the scientist told him it was crap. He'd spent weeks on that thing! He even learned how to blow glass and everything. It's a fact! |
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May-28-11
 | | Annie K.: Heh. There is that, too... :)
I suppose that would be degrees of separation, as in from playing Kasparov? But it *could* also be something about university degrees, or trigonometric, or criminal (as in "murder one"), or indeed Fahrenheit/Celsius degrees - if the Bacon (whoever he may be) gets in the fire... :p |
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May-28-11
 | | jessicafischerqueen: Yes well pointed out <Annie> there are many meanings of the word. Let's not forget its etymology either. It derives from the slave driving villain <Simon Degree> from Harriet Beecher Stovetop Stuffing's immortal "Uncle Tom's Gaffe," if I'm not mistaken. |
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May-28-11
 | | OhioChessFan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morphy... |
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May-28-11
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Ohio> what a great article- "Morphy Numbers," never heard of them before. And there's even an article linked there by our own User: FSR about "Fun With Morphy Numbers": http://chicagochess.blogspot.com/20... |
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May-28-11
 | | Annie K.: <Jess> I'd'egree... |
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May-28-11
 | | OhioChessFan: I didn't realize until tonight just how useful Chessgames.com is for wiki articles. After chasing around some links from the Morphy article, I noticed how many footnotes came back to CG.C. Link right to a player page, or a specific game, or a tournament? What a nice one stop resource. |
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May-28-11
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Ohio> yes and many of our members are prominent editors of the Wiki chess pages, such as <FSR>, <TheFocus>, and <crawfb5> just to name three I'm aware of. |
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May-29-11
 | | Domdaniel: Unlike Bacon and Erdὅs numbers, Morphy and other chess-based number sequences have an extra twist: is it sufficient to have simply *played* somebody, or should the chain be constructed of wins? And should one have the score of the linking games? I examined all this years ago, and saw that - especially in the 'win' version - certain 'nodal' players and games had great significance. Anyone with a long career who beat some veterans in their youth and went on, maybe 40 years later, to lose to a new generation, for example. A key game (certainly for Irish players) is E. Keogh's win over Stahlberg at the 1966 olympiad. Keogh is still active (I lost to him last year, even though we now have similar ratings) and Stahlberg was nearing the end of a long career, which included victory over Nimzowitsch. Perhaps it was the thought of getting a Nimzo-win number of NW3 that unnerved me against Keogh. (The game is in the database - I shoulda played d5! and the rest is misery). I've beaten plenty of people who've beaten Keogh, of course, so NW4 is easy. There are also quick paths to other famous players - I've played at least four people who have played Kasparov, not all of them in simuls. But to *beat* Kasparov, I may have to run a chain via, say, Byrne-Keogh-Stahlberg-Smyslov-Kasparov. I'm working on my Duchamp number. There are still a few people around who played him (though two well-known ones, Larry Evans and Bill Hook, died recently). Bacon numbers - though a familiar concept - may be the least interesting of the lot, due to increasing ambiguity over what exactly a 'movie' is. I've been filmed with Hollywood stars, but there wasn't a script. |
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May-29-11
 | | Domdaniel: My (M5) Morphy Number chain (at least one other route exists – including a possible shorter one via Morphy vs G Salmon, 1858) Bird vs Morphy, 1858
Bird vs Mieses, 1895
Mieses – Barden, Hastings 1949/50
Keene vs L Barden, 1967
Keene vs G McCarthy, 1977
Mieses-Barden is not included in the Britbase database, which only seems to include games from the Hastings premier, not the Reserves. But Barden still writes for the Guardian on Saturdays. |
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May-29-11
 | | Domdaniel: Another nodal game: M Keeshan vs J M Bellon Lopez, 1972 I beat Keeshan in the 1980s - lost the score, of course, but I remember it was a Flohr-Mikenas attack in the English, he made an inaccurate move in the opening, and I blew him away inside 20 moves. One of the few times I've beaten a 2200+ player in that style: most such games are scrappier. I'm not even very efficient at 'blowing away' 1100 players. Anyhoo, Bellon has had a long career and beaten almost everyone who is anyone. |
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May-29-11
 | | Domdaniel: Two players sit down at a chessboard. In what sounds like broken English, one says "Tella, me - you're Sorri?" J Tella vs K Sorri, 2001 |
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May-29-11
 | | Annie K.: Maybe not yet, but somebody vill be before too long! I think I'd be a lot better off in the "numbers" department if that Moss fellow had ever managed to beat his one-time mentor Nigel Short - maybe when Short was half asleep or totally drunk? Heh. ;) Then again, I do have several wins (both OTB and corr) over Tryfon, and he regularly beats IMs at blitz, so there may be something going in that line... I can't be bothered to research it though. :p You "sound" good, <Dom>, nice to see that. :) Find any snails in the mail yet? |
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May-29-11
 | | Domdaniel: Not a mollusc. Could they have gone to Iran instead of Ireland, as happened once to a Murdoch cheque? |
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May-29-11
 | | Annie K.: Nope, I'm pretty sure I wrote out the whole I-r-e-l-a-n-d, not just the initials. Maybe it's just considered suspiciously odd. ;) It will probably be delivered eventually. |
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| May-30-11 | | dakgootje: <Then again, I do have several wins (both OTB and corr) over Tryfon, and he regularly beats IMs at blitz, so there may be something going in that line...> Think 'k-see?! actually beat a 2600-something in blitz once. Certainly some gm-chaps. |
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May-30-11
 | | Domdaniel: I sound good? You got cyber-synaesthesia, lady.
Which reminds me. If 'in loco parentis' means 'crazy like a parent', and 'moi aussi' means 'I'm Australian', then *kinaesthesia* is the irrational belief that one's relatives are good-looking. As for me, it could be (a) healthy dog-walkies nanotectors, (b) serotonin boost from giving up wine - okay, technically I don't do 'giving up' as in 'never again', but I'm not currently at the vino ('in vino vomitas', as Pompeius said to Plinius). Or it could be my rise to 9th place in the kib hit parade, having overtaken <notyetatagmeme>. A tagmeme, of course, is a basical linguistic structural element, such as the sentence position into which a given class of grammatical items (phonemes, morphemes, lexemes, humemes) may fit. Yeah, humemes is my own entropantish gibber. "Minimal constituents of the human message" as I recall. |
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May-30-11
 | | Domdaniel: The urge to *root* - in either the American or Australian sense - has largely bypassed me or faded away. Yet the Irish sense of the verb - "to dig for something lost in the infinite clutter of of one's living space" - is always with me. Rooting, Tooting. |
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May-30-11
 | | Domdaniel: More on Morphy numbers: http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kibit... I played (and lost to) Harding in a club match in the 1980s. I also remember Luce, but can't recall playing him. |
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