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| Feb-08-20 | | Count Wedgemore: <keypusher> & <Diademas> My first thought when reading about the Bergen connection was to think that the two of you might be related. How cool would that be? By the way, I think it was very common for immigrants to anglicize Thomsen to Thomson. |
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| Feb-08-20 | | diceman: <keypusher:
My main complaint with the book is that it's too short.> Be thankful he didn't go back to the mid 1800s. :) |
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| Feb-08-20 | | centralfiles: Thanks for link.
Seems like i wasn't the only one interested ;) |
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| Feb-09-20 | | thegoodanarchist: < keypusher: <centralfiles> This (critical) review is better than anything I could write.> I didn't know your standards were so low, Scott. :) Wesley combined forced alliteration with the assumption of a normative world view on his side, and with gatekeeping for the purpose of marginalizing/excluding a large percentage of the (white) population. After 2 paragraphs I found his reprehensible dreck intolerable, and quit reading. I am not surprised that modern media is reviled, as much as I am surprised that anyone still takes it seriously. |
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| Feb-09-20 | | thegoodanarchist: < Count Wedgemore:
By the way, I think it was very common for immigrants to anglicize Thomsen to Thomson.> That reminds me of the excellent novel "The Sea Wolf" by Jack London, because the central character Wolf Larsen mocks a Scandinavian newcomer to America by calling him "Yonson" instead of "Johnson". Also, I think you folks up near the Arctic Circle would enjoy his short story "To Build A Fire". You can find it on line. |
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| Feb-09-20 | | diceman: Wow!
I started with this:
<Classic subterfuge by Yang.> Then Ohio threw me a curve ball with this:
<I agree with Yang word for word on a number of points.> Then tga put in over the plate with:
<After 2 paragraphs I found his reprehensible dreck intolerable, and quit reading.> That said, I liked keypusher's response to <centralfiles>. It could almost be used as a template to illustrate how liberals lie. Everything key pointed out was no accident. |
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| Feb-09-20 | | diceman: <thegoodanarchist:
Also, I think you folks up near the Arctic Circle would enjoy his short story "To Build A Fire". You can find it on line.> That was a good one! |
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Feb-09-20
 | | keypusher: <diademas> <count wedgemore> I should clear something up. The surname Thomson comes from my father's side of the family; his ancestry was Danish, English, and Dutch, I believe. I do have a vague recollection that his ancestor in his paternal line was surnamed Thomsen and changed it to Thomson when he came to this country. (If true, this has caused a lot of trouble; "Thomson" is a fairly rare spelling in the US, so my surname is frequently misspelled "Thompson.") But my maternal grandfather from Bergen was surnamed Jacobsen (Leif Ingve), and my maternal grandmother from Trondheim was surnamed Heiberg (Marie Pope). Since I was raised by my mother, I've always been closer to her side of the family. |
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Feb-09-20
| | keypusher: <OCF> <diceman> <tga> Thanks for coming! And thanks to <central files> for asking about my thoughts on the book in the first place. A couple of quick points --
** I don't think of Wesley Yang as a liberal (in the modern sense of the term); the Washington <Examiner> is certainly not a left-wing publication. I think he's disposed to value quantitative over qualitative analysis; he thinks of Caldwell as an elegant essayist, not a number cruncher. (In this impressive essay about Europe and immigration, Caldwell crunches the numbers to a fare-thee-well; but I think there was less of this in <The Age of Entitlement>. https://www.hoover.org/research/eur...) On the wealth gap noted by Yang, note that this shows that the black-white income gap, despite everything, has barely budged in real terms since 1970. https://twitter.com/pewresearch/sta...
And the wealth gap is far larger than the income gap. Why has there been no real change? 1. "Not enough has been done" (surely that will be the mainstream conclusion); 2. What has been done did not strike at the real causes. But whatever answer you give, I think that if you're writing a book like Caldwell's, you at least have to try to answer the question; and as far as I can recall he didn't even raise it. I thought Yang was right to draw attention to that. ** I'm glad OCF found himself in agreement with many of Yang's points; that reassures me that I wasn't crazy to like both the book and the critical review. |
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Feb-09-20
 | | Diademas: <keypusher: But my maternal grandfather from Bergen was surnamed Jacobsen (Leif Ingve), >
Found him. (It's actually Leif Yngve) Born Oct. 10th 1902.) They were apparently quite well of. In 1910 he was living with his parents, 3 brothers and a sister and a maid. His father id listed as an engineer born in Horten, and living in the most expensive flat in a very fashionable house that no longer exists in central Bergen.
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/censu... |
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Feb-09-20
| | keypusher: <Diademas: <keypusher: But my maternal grandfather from Bergen was surnamed Jacobsen (Leif Ingve), > Found him. (It's actually Leif Yngve) Born Oct. 10th 1902.)
They were apparently quite well of. In 1910 he was living with his parents, 3 brothers and a sister and a maid. His father id listed as an engineer born in Horten, and living in the most expensive flat in a very fashionable house that no longer exists in central Bergen.> Yes, one of my relatives has a picture of Jacob Jonas and his family, and there is also a picture of the children, including my grandfather, everyone dressed most fetchingly and in an attractive studio, so they must have been well off. Strange to me that three(?) of the sons emigrated. (One went to Argentina; his son visited us in the 80s; I visited him in Cordoba around 2000; his sister lived in Mendoza.) Jacob Jonas skippered a boat of some kind in Bergen harbor, I think. Bergliot and Knut visited when I was a small child; Bergliot was terrified by iguanas, I recall. My older brother and sister made a long visit to Norway in 1974(?), and my mom has also gone (she used to say good night to me in Norwegian, and still owns a Norwegian language textbook). I'm in touch with several of my relatives over there, and keep meaning to go, but I never have. (I think I am much better company in writing than in person. :-)) It won't be this year, since my cousin and his family are going. But maybe 2021. |
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Feb-09-20
| | Diademas: The street your grandfather grew up in, at the time he lived there.
I believe their home was the first building to the left where they had the entire third floor.
http://marcus.uib.no/instance/photo...The house, in fact the entire street, got blown away when a boat filled with explosives exploded near by April 20th 1944.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ST_Vo...
Today not even the street exists, and there is an Hotel and an office block at the site. |
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Feb-09-20
| | keypusher: <diademas> Wow! Thank you. Luckily they were long gone...not sure when Jacob Jonas died, but pretty sure his wife, my great-grandmother, died in 1934, so before the German invasion and occupation. But Knut and Bergliot lived through it. My grandfather spent much of the war in Iceland (he had become a doctor, and volunteered to serve in the Army), and visited Norway in 1945 for the first time since he had emigrated. He went back again in 1956, I think. Infuriated his relatives by being almost unable to speak Norwegian, then when he came back to America he supposedly had a hell of a time remembering how to speak English for a couple of weeks. He always pronounced "three" without the h, I remember. Any idea when the family lived in that building? |
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Feb-09-20
| | keypusher: keypusher-drengur gameknot 2006
C52: Evans Gambit Accepted: 5 c3 ♗a5
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. b4
Bxb4 5. c3 Ba5 6. Qb3 (It worked against me, so maybe I can make it work against someone else.) 6...Qf6 7. d4 Nxd4 8. Nxd4 exd4 9. O-O dxc3 10. e5 Qxe5 11. Bxf7+ Kf8 12. Na3 Ne7 (New to me.) 13. Nc4 Qf5 14. Nxa5 Qxf7 15. Qxc3 c6 (Fritz thinks Black remains better after 15... Nd5 16. Qg3 d6) 16. Ba3 b6? 17. Rfe1? (Simply 17. Nxc6 dxc6 18. Qxc6 Rb8 19. Rfe1 wins. I saw this, but didn't trust myself!) 17... c5 18. Rad1!? d5 (18... bxa5 19. Qxc5 Kg8 20. Rxe7 ) 19. Nb3 d4? (19... Kg8!) 20. Nxd4 (Here's the first of a sequence of offers, but stronger is 20. Rxd4!! cxd4 21. Nxd4 Bg4 22. Rxe7 Qxe7 23. Bxe7+ Kxe7 24. Qc7+ Kf8 25. Qf4+ (Fritz)) 20... Nd5 (20... Bg4 21. Ne6+ Bxe6 22. Rxe6 Qxe6 23. Qf3+ Kg8 24. Qxa8+ Nc8 ) 21. Bxc5+! (the bishop...) Kg8 22. Nc6 (now the queen, which must be refused, since if 22... Nxc3 23. Rd8+ wins) 23. Rxd5 Bxc6 (Obviously forced.) 24. Re7? (I was discouraged, knowing I had missed a win back at move 17. But here Fritz finds that 24. Rd6 Bd7 25. Qd3 $18 Re8 26. Bb4 Rxe1+ 27. Bxe1 Be8 28. Rd8 Qe6 29. Bc3 h6 30. Qd4 Rh7 31. Qa4 is quite decisive) 24... Qg6? (Here he should have played 24... Qxe7 25. Bxe7 Bxd5, which is about even. But no doubt he thought that, with the bishop, rook on d5 and mate all hanging, and with the rook unable to retreat, that he was going to win on the spot.)
25. Qc4! (Not deep, or even original, I suspect. But still a thrilling move to play.) Qb1+ 26. Rd1+ 1-0 |
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Feb-09-20
| | Diademas: Your Great-Grandfather Jacob Jonas Jacobsen was born in Horten June 25th 1863 to Martinius (Born 1830) and Inger K. (Born Jonassen in 1831) Jacobsen. They move from Horten, first to Oslo in 1865, than to Bergen some time before 1868. Your Great-great-grandfather was an engineer on boats, and I do believe you descend from a long line of seafarers. They live on a multitude of places in Bergen until Jacob Jonas marries your great-grandmother Wilhelmine born Thomsen(!) in Korskirken November 7th 1891. At this time he is registered as a
technical drawer at a shipyard.
They get (at least) 5 children, your Grandfather being number 4. |
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Feb-09-20
| | Diademas: When Leif Yngve is born in 1902, they were probably living in Sigurdsgate, and moved to Brynjulfsgate (The picture I sent) some time before 1908.
I can for some reason don't find any certificate for his baptismal since I can find one for all of his siblings.
He leaves school (Bergen Katedralskole Middelskole) in 1918 and is registered as an aspirant in the Royal Guards in 1922. September 16th. 1925 he is leaving Norway as a sailor on Cunard Line with the stated intent to emigrate. And giving Brooklyn, New York as his goal. |
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Feb-09-20
| | keypusher: Amazing! Thank you! For some reason I thought he emigrated in 1922. And he worked his way across, good for him. He was always a worker. I remember him building his grandchildren a very nice treehouse at his home in North Carolina...he would have been in his early 70s then. |
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Feb-09-20
 | | chancho: That is some outstanding research.
<Diademas> You da man! |
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Feb-10-20
 | | moronovich: And I´ll hereby nominee <Diademas> in the catagory "True Detective"... |
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Feb-10-20
| | Diademas: Come to think of it <chancho>, you could be on to something.
I may very well be "da man". :) |
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| Feb-10-20 | | mckmac: Hi <Keypusher> <Diademas> Sure, you may be da man today, mais ils viennent demain ;) |
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Feb-10-20
| | Diademas: A few loose ends.
Your grandfather was christened in Domkirken 1902-11-09, and they were living in Sigursdsgate 15 at the time.Your Great-grandmother Wilhelmine, sometimes referred to as Welemine or Vilhelmine, was born in Bergen 1865-03-04 as the 7th child of carpenter P.O. Thomsen (born 1822) and Anna Thomsen (nee Berle - born 1826). She is registered as a maid prior to marriage. In 1934 she is registered as a widow, living on a more humble location in Tversmuget 12. The last entree for Jacob Jonas is 1922. At the time he is still living in Brynjulfsgate with his wife and three children. Including your grandfather. |
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Feb-10-20
 | | Check It Out: I need to know the shoe size of my great-great grandmother's 2nd cousin's niece's sister. <Diademas>? Seriously, that's impressive work. |
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Feb-10-20
| | Diademas: Photoscan of the original protocol of emigration.
Your Grandfather is line 1366.
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/vie... |
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| Feb-10-20 | | diceman: <Diademas: Photoscan of the original protocol of emigration. Your Grandfather is line 1366.> Wow, before Democrats they documented the undocumented? Who knew? |
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