1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. a3 Bxc3+ 5. bxc3 b6 6. e3 Nc6 7. Nf3 Ba6 8. Bd3 Na5 9. Qa4 O-O 10. O-O d5 11. Ne5 Qe8 12. Qxe8 Rfxe8 13. cxd5 Bxd3 14. Nxd3 exd5 15. Ne5 Rad8 16. f4 Ne4 17. Bb2 Nc4 18. Nxc4 dxc4 19. Rad1 Rd5 20. a4 Ra5 21. Ra1 f5 22. Rfe1 Kf7 23. g3 Ke6 24. Re2 Rb8 25. Kg2 Kd5 26. Kf3 b5 27. axb5 Raxb5 28. Ra2 a5 29. Rc2 a4 30. h3 Rb3 31. g4 g6 32. Ke2 Ra8 33. Ra3 Rxa3 34. Bxa3 c6 35. Kf3 Ra7 36. g5 Ra8 37. h4 Nd6 38. Ra2 Nb5 39. Bb4 a3 40. Ke2 Ke4 41. Kd2 Kf3 42. Ra1 a2 43. Bc5 Nc7 44. Rf1+ Ke4 45. Ra1 Nd5 46. Bd6 Nxe3 47. Kc1 Kd3 48. Bb4 0-1

After 45....Nd5

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32....… a3 33. Bxa3 Nxc3+

33....Rab8 34. Rxb3 cxb3 35. c4+ Ke6 36. Rc1 a3 37. Bxa3 b2 38. d5+ Kd7 39. Bxb2 Rxb2+

34....h5! 35. g5 Rb8 36. Bb4 Nd6 37. Ra2 Ra8 38. Bxd6 cxd6 39. Ra3 Ke4 40. d5 Ra6 41. h4 Ra5 42. Ra2 a3 43. Rd2 Rxd5 44. Ra2 Rd3 45. Rxa3 Rxe3+ 46. Kd2 Rd3+ 47. Kc2 Kxf4

36....Rb7 37. Bb4 Rxb4! 38. cxb4 c3 39. Ke2 Kc4 40. Kd1 a3 41. d5 cxd5 42. b5 Kb3 43. b6 Nc5 44. Rc1 a2 45. h4 Nb7 46. Ra1 Kb2 47. Rc1 a1=N 48. Rxa1 Kxa1

37....Rb8 38. Bb4 Rxb4!, etc.

38. Bxd6! Kxd6 39. e4! fxe4+ 40. Kxe4 a3 <OR> 41.Ra2 Ra5 42.f5!! gxf5+ 43.Kf4 c5 44.dxc5+ Kxc5 45.Ra1 Kd6 (45....Kb5 46.Rb1+ Ka4 47.Rb4#) 46. h5 Ke6 47. Ra2 Kf7 48.Ke3 =

1. c4 e5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. g3 Bc5 4. Bg2 c6 5. e3 d5 6. d4 exd4 7. exd4 Be7 8. cxd5 cxd5 9. Qb3 Be6 10. Qxb7 Nbd7 11. Nf3 Nb6 12. Ne5 O-O 13. Nc6 Qc8 1-0

1. d4 c5 2. d5 e5 3. e4 d6 4. Nc3 Be7 5. Bd3 Bg5 6. Nf3 Bxc1 7. Qxc1 Nd7 8. O-O Ngf6 9. h3 a6 10. Qe3 b5 11. Qg5 O-O 12. Nh2 c4 13. Be2 b4 14. Nd1 Nxe4 15. Qe3 Ndc5 16. Bxc4 f5 17. f4 g5 18. fxe5 dxe5 19. Nf2 f4 20. Qc1 Qb6 21. Qe1 Bf5 22. Qd1 Nxf2 23. Qh5 Nce4 24. d6+ Kg7 25. Bd5 Ng4+ 26. Kh1 Ng3# 0-1

6.Bxg5 Qxg5 7.Nf3 Qe7 8.Nd2 Nf6 9.Nc4 ±

11.Qg5?=; 11.a4 b4 12.Ne2 a5 13.Ng3 +0.70 31 ply

12.Nh2? c4 -+

15....Ndc5?!; 15....f5 16.Bxc4 Nb6 17.Be2 (17.Bd3! Nc5) 17....Nxd5? 18.Bc4 Be6 19.Qb3 Nd2 20.Bxd5 Nxb3 21.Bxe6+! Kh8 22.Bxb3 -0.61 37 ply; 17....a5! 18.c4 Nc5 19.f4 exf4 20.Rxf4 g5 -2.13 35 ply

17.f4 g5?; 17....Bd7 18.fxe5 dxe5 19.Nf3? f4 20.Qe1 Qb6 21.Nf2 Rae8 -+; 19.d6+ Kh8 20.Bd5 Rc8 21.Bxe4 Nxe4 22.Nf2 Bb5 ∓; 17....a5; 17....exf4 18.Rxf4 Rb8! 19.Rf1 Qf6 20.Nf2 (20.Nf3? f4 21.Qd4 Qxd4+ 22.Nxd4 Nd2 -+) 20....Nxf2 21.Qxf2 Qxb2

20.Qc1?; 20.Qe1! Nd6 Qxb4=

20....Qb6; 20....Nd6! 20.Be2 Nce4! 21.Bd3 Nxf2 22.Rxf2 e4! -+; 20.b3 e4 -+

21.Qe1; 21.d6+ Kh8 22.Bd5 Bb7 23.Qd1 Rad8 -+

21....Bf5?; 21....Nd6! 22.Be2 e4 -+

11.dxc5 Bxc5 12.Bc2 ±

12.Bxe7 Qxe7 13.f4 f6? 14.Ng6 Qxe3+ 15.Kh1 Re8 16.Rf3 Qe6 (16....Qxd4 17.Nb5+-) 17.Nh4 ±

15.Qh5 (15.a4, 15.Qc2) 15....Re8? 16.Nb5 +- Re8

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17.Qg6? (17.Nc7! Rxc7 18.Bxc7 +-) Be6 18.Bd6?! (18.Rae1 and e3-e4) 18....Kf8? 19.Bxc5 Nc8? 20.Rac1 Bxb2?? 21.Qxe6 Bxc1

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<Bobsterman3000: <Carrots and Pizza - To count errors or hyperbole as lies is dishonest. If someone things Clinton was never charged with a crime and they are shown that he was, it doesn't make his statement a lie. Not all false statements are lies.> <wtpy: Keypusher, Absolutely right. Even mistaking a fact doesn't make you a liar, it just makes you mistaken.>

Sure, you people are right.

But for someone to (still) keep claiming that "collusion is now proven" is not being mistaken at this point. It's just willfully lying.>

Good that you want to settle it.

I too want to settle/resolve it for once and all, however, presently I am a little too busy with work .

I will come back to this conversation and take it to its logical conclusion and show why I think you are completely wrong ,<bobsterman> ,in calling <saffuna> a liar.

I am posting this post in the forum of <keypusher> and in the forum of <johnlspouge> (for the future reference of <wtpy> and others). I hope <keypusher> and <johnlspouge> would be ok with it.

Thank you guys. Let us try to elevate our conversations as much as we can.

Probably a better way to develop, according to the computer and other games, is 7.g3 fxg3 8.Kg2! d5 9.hxg3

8….g4

I think ….g4 is a mistake, allowing me to undermine your pawns and chase the queen. 8….h6 9.Be2 Qg6 10.Ne5 Bxe5 11.dxe5 is a computer line.

9.Ng5 Rf8 10.Ne2?

Just a blunder, allowing 10….f6 and the knight has nowhere to go. 10.Nb5, 10.Nh3, or 10.Bxf4 are all much better.

10….f3? 11.Nf4?!

A nice line is 11.gxf3 gxf3 12.Nf4 Qg4 13.Rg1 Qxh4 14.Nxf3 Qh6 15.Kf2! (I missed this move; now Black doesn’t have a good answer to threats like Ne6).

11….fxg2+ 12.Kxg2 Qh6 13.c3

13.Nd5! is winning. 13….Nxd5 14.exd5 and Black’s king and queen are both fatally exposed.

13….f6? 14.Nfe6?

I never would have seen this, but the computer finds 14.Nf7 Rxf7 15.Bxf7+ Kxf7 16.Qb3+ Ke8 17.h5! threatening Ng6 or Nd5, and Black doesn’t have a good answer.

14…..dxe6 15.Nxe6? (White is still better after 15.Bxe6 or the remarkable 15.Rf1 — if 15….Qxh4 16.Rh1 and Rh5 traps the queen. Again, I never would have seen that.)

15….Qg6 16.Nxc7+ Kd7? (as you pointed out immediately, 16….Kd8 was much better, with a big advantage for Black) 17.Nxa8 Qxe4+ 18.Kg1 (18.Kh2, which never crossed my mind, was better)

18….Nbc6?

Instead 18….b6! 19.Qa4+ Kd8 20.Qxa7 Qe1+ 21.Kg2 Qe4+ is a draw.

19.Bd3 Qd5 20.Qxg4+

Irresistible, but 20.Bf4! developing and threatening to get the dog food knight out of the corner is much stronger.

20….Kd8 21.Qg3 Ne5? 22.Bxh7?

I could have just taken the knight; I guess we both missed that the bishop was protected?!?

22….Nf3+? (better are 22….Bg4 or 22…Nf5) 23.Kf2 Ne5 24.Re1 Bh8 25.dxe5?!

I could have saved myself some trouble by playing 25.Bh6 (development!) first.

25…fxe5+ 26.Kg1 Rf3! (nice counterattack) 27.Qg2? (27.Qg5 was much better) 27….Bh3 28.Qd2? (again, 28.Qg5!) 28….Rg3+ 29.Kh2 Rg2+ 30.Kxh3 (funnily enough, in my earlier calculations I had missed that my queen would be hanging after this move) 30….Rxd2 31.Bxd2 Qf3+ 32.Kf2 Qh5?

As you no doubt saw, 32….Qf2+ draws.

33.Be4?!

Better and simpler was 33.Bg5 Qxh7 34.Rad1+ (finally!) Kc8 35.Rf1 with advantage.

33….Qxh4+ 34.Kg2? (34.Kg1 is better — not sure why I didn’t play that) 34….Bf6 35.Bxb7 Nf5! (now it’s even again) 36.Kg1? (Instead 36.Rad1 Qg4+ 37.Kf1 Ke7 is equal) 36…Qg3+?

Believe it or not, Black had a win with 36…Qg4+, and if 37.Kf1, then 37….e4! 38.Rxe4 Ng3+ wins, or if 37.Kh2 Bh4!. Now it’s a draw after all.

29....Re4! 30.h6+ Kf7

34....Rxd3 and ...Kg6

36....Rg8!

37....Nd4! 38.Ke3 Nxb5

Not that I agree with everything Yang says either. He says there is no evidence that the changes of the last 50 years have harmed whites, but there is, summarized by Caldwell in a chapter succinctly called "Losers." Yang's review focuses on civil rights, but Caldwell also has a lot to say about mass immigration and culture. Yang is arguing that it's only during the Obama administration that things went off the rails; Caldwell's whole thesis is that it's the last 50+ years that are the problem. Tellingly, Yang says Caldwell was radicalized by Trump's election; I'd say Caldwell was well and truly radicalized before that.

Not that I agree with everything Yang says either. He says there is no evidence that the changes of the last 50 years have harmed whites, but there is, summarized by Caldwell in a chapter succinctly called "Losers." Yang's review focuses on civil rights, but Caldwell also has a lot to say about mass immigration and culture. Yang is arguing that it's only during the Obama administration that things went off the rails; Caldwell's whole thesis is that it's the last 50+ years that are the problem. Tellingly, Yang says Caldwell was radicalized by Trump's election; I'd say Caldwell was well and truly radicalized before that.>

The 1910 Census shows 116 people in Bergen with the surname Thomsen. Several of them related to myself. No Thomson.