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| Sep-18-07 | | sentriclecub: I'm glad my idea is welcomed and I would love to make a meaningful forum. I think it will be useful because it sorta has a "reverse engineering" feel. The forum can be as simple (votes only) or complex as users want to make it. Of course, i'll tally the votes at the end of each day to keep a running total also. I hope this will benefit our team and it is a good forum during the downtime while we're awaiting GMT's move. That's the main reason how I came up with the idea. |
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Sep-18-07
 | | kutztown46: <sentriclecub>: So far the response has been very slow. You should probably post a message on the main page repeating what you hope to accomplish and request team members to "vote". |
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| Sep-19-07 | | twinlark: It's an idea worth trying. |
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Sep-21-07
 | | Tabanus: <kutztown46> I quit. I'm sorry to let you down. <zanshin> has volunteered to be sticky updater - he's as good as anyone. |
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| Sep-26-07 | | zanshin: <kutztown46: <Tabanus>, while he will continue as part of the team, wishes to give up his <official> duties. Here are the components of his job: 1) Update the sticky.
2) Encourage participation in the forums and encouarge forum hosts to keep their headers updated. 3) Assign temporary forums when I am away.> <kutz> I drop by CG almost daily, so I don't mind taking a more active role in the game. However, I also realize my limitations as an analyst and worry that any responsibility requiring more than cursory analysis will put the team at a disadvantage. For this reason, I will be happy to do #1 and #2. <Tab> has implied that he might still update the sticky, and that's fine. Activity #2 also does not require great analytical skills so I can do that, hopefully without irritating too many people. As for the temporary forum assignments in your absence, I feel that both <Artar1> and <twinlark> are better qualified for this role than me. |
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| Sep-26-07 | | zanshin: <kutz> Yes, I think I can manage to do #1 and #2 and maintain a temporary forum. In my earlier post to your forum, I thought about requesting that I <not> receive the most likely move. Having had time to reflect a little, I will now make the request: as much as possible, please do not assign to me the most likely continuation. Thanks. |
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Sep-26-07
| | Tabanus: <kutztown46> I admire your hard work and should not let you down on the forum assignments in October. If not <zanshin> or anyone else volunteer, I can do it. After all, I'm not dead. Yet! |
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Sep-26-07
| | kutztown46: <Tabanus>: Thank you for offering to do the forum assignments in October as a last resort. <zanshin> does not want to do it. Next, I will ask <Artar1>. <zanshin>: That is a good idea. I have been trying to alternate the presumed main line among the temporary forum hosts, but I can take you out of that mix and always give you the " ______ and others" forum. |
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| Sep-27-07 | | Artar1: <kutztown46: Since you have experience, I decided to ask you if you would handle the forum assignments for two cycles in October.
If you are willing, I'll provide more details.> No problem! I will take over when you are away. Just let me know what you would like me to do. |
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| Sep-27-07 | | zanshin: <kutz> I think we're almost there. It seems <Tab> wants to participate just as much in the game, but was uncomfortable with the commitment of having daily responsibilities ... which I think is ok, he's doing a heck of a job as a contributing analyst. So, I'll do the sticky (with possible occasional help from <Tab>), and reminders to the forum hosts. I saw that <Tab> took the liberty to set the marker posts and paste in relevant lines into the forums. I'll try to do that too. <Artar1> will make the assignments during your absence. I'll still host a forum, but not the expected line. One last request, I'd prefer not to host the <___ and others> line. I believe the forum host here is responsible for all other lines not found in the initial designations and not yet assigned to a fourm. This includes moves found by others, 'novelties', etc. This was my experience with <9.Bg5> and <9.Rb1> in this game. Even if no important lines are found, the host needs to be vigilant in monitoring their occurrence. For this reason, I think someone else would do a better job. Your thoughts? |
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| Sep-27-07 | | zanshin: <kutztown46: I'll try to give you the second most obscure line. But be aware, my crystal ball sometimes malfunctions, so there may be times when I assign you something that ends up generating a lot of interest. But I'll do my best.> Perfect, that's all I can ask. If your crystal ball never malfunctioned, then I would be asking a lot more from you starting with lottery numbers ;-) |
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| Oct-01-07 | | zanshin: <kutz> I added <capafan> to the sticky. I'm glad you found a forum for him. He does a great job. |
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| Oct-04-07 | | zanshin: Hey <kutz> It looks like the QCM job is getting easier in one respect: forum hosts seem more responsive. Only 4.5 hrs after new forum assignments, 7 of 9 have changed their headers. |
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Oct-06-07
| | kutztown46: Temporary Forums:
*** <Analysis of 11. Ne1> User: zanshin *** <Analysis of 11. d5> User: dalbertz *** <Analysis of 11. Bf4> User: Red October *** <Analysis of 11. Be3> User: Waitaka *** <Analysis of 11. b4 and others> User: mckmck *** <Analysis of 11. Rb1> User: Deep Breath *** <Analysis of 11. Qb4> User: capafan *** <Analysis of 11. Ng5> User: not yet a patzer *** <Analysis of 11. Bd2> User: jepflast |
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Oct-07-07
| | kutztown46: Temporary Forums:
*** <Analysis of 11…b5> User: zanshin *** <Analysis of 11…c5> User: dalbertz *** <Analysis of 11…Qe8> User: Red October *** <Analysis of 11…Bd7> User: Waitaka *** <Analysis of 11…cxd5> User: mckmck *** <Analysis of 11…a6> User: Deep Breath *** <Analysis of 11…a5 and others> User: capafan |
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| Oct-09-07 | | benjinathan: <K> I was away for a few days but saw your post. Obviously the T.N. forum is dormant for now and possibly for good this game. I think there is just too much confusion. Please feel free to do whatever you want with my forum. If you decide to use it I will do my best to manage to the best of my abilities. BTW, thanks for all of your work in what has been a difficult game. |
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Oct-10-07
| | kutztown46: Temporary Forums:
*** <Analysis of 12. dxc6> User: zanshin *** <Analysis of 12. Qb3 and others> User: dalbertz *** <Analysis of 12. Bf4> User: Red October *** <Analysis of 12. Be3> User: Waitaka *** <Analysis of 12. Bg5> User: mckmck *** <Analysis of 12. Rb1> User: Deep Breath *** <Analysis of 12. Ng5> User: not yet a patzer |
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| Oct-10-07 | | zanshin: <twinlark> Thanks for bailing us out. I was just about to bite the bullet and tell <kutz> I would do it as a last resort after taking myself temporarily out of the temp forum rotation. But since you're stepped up, then there's no need. <kutz> It's not that I don't want to do it, it's that I feel others can do a better job. But if nobody stepped forward, then I think I'm better than nothing! |
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Oct-11-07
| | kutztown46: <zanshin>: I am having second thoughts about the use of "and others" when assigning forums. I want to be completely neutral when assigning forums - among the moves listed on the forum list, I do not want the presentation of the list to indicate any preference of a certain move or indicate that a given move is less credible than other moves on the list. But when I tack "and others" to the end of a move for a forum, that is exactly the message being sent. I'm sure you saw the posts yesterday when two team members felt compelled to speak up in defense of Qb3. I'm sure they felt the move was being disrespected by its association with "and others". The use of "and others" came from the last game, where we had a more limited pool of forum hosts. Perhaps I should forget "and others" and if some other move pops up and a team member wants to know where to post analysis for move "xyz", we can create a forum for "xyz" on the spot. Of course, we will have to keep at least one forum in reserve for that purpose but that should not be hard to do with ten forum hosts available including all the alternates. What do you think? |
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| Oct-11-07 | | zanshin: <kutz> Well, I appreciate your asking my opinion here ;-) I can certainly understand the predicament. On the one hand, you don't want to miss any possibilities, but the "and others" tag seems to devalue a move. Clearly, you wouldn't add it to the main line. It gives the impression it was the last move in the hierarchy, and the catchall was tagged on (maybe even as an afterthought). As I see it, we have three options: 1. keep things as they are; 2. do as you suggest, have no "and others" and assign new forums as the "other" moves arise and, 3. I think there's a compromise: have a temporary forum for "All other" moves. The host for an "All others" forum needs to pay attention to all lines popping up, and possibly recommending when they merit a forum of their own. So it might get busy at times. My opinion is that choices 2 and 3 are probably better than retaining the status quo. It's difficult to predict which one will be better adapted to the Team because it's partly a matter of preference, and also dependent on how the game proceeds. |
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| Oct-11-07 | | benjinathan: <K> Why don't you make my forum the permanent "others" forum? |
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Oct-11-07
| | kutztown46: <zanshin>, <benjinathan>: That's an interesting idea - a permanent temporary forum for "others". Let me think about that. |
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| Oct-11-07 | | twinlark: My $0.02: "others" don 't seem to attract that much interest. I stand corrected on this if there have been any moves voted on that emerged from an "others" forum. I think specific move and variation forums provide some of the necessary gravitas to attract analysts. A big concern is that major options are being insufficiently explored, and GMT has already caught us out with moves we barely considered, most notably <9...Kh8>. I like <sentriclecub>'s idea of a data analysis tree as a visual aid to see what's missing, but a quick look around the current forums shows evident gaps. For example, <12.Bf4> is or has been Rybka's favoured move, yet there's barely been any analysis of it and <12.Rb1> has just been picked up. It's the old problem of trying to attract move champions, be they foruym owners or someone else, for each important move option. |
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| Oct-12-07 | | sentriclecub: <I do not fully understand how the analysis tree idea would be implemented. Do we have the tools we need, or do we need more help from cg.com?> I will unveil all this shortly, also read my post to Zanshin's forum later today (friday) once I answer him. <Wasn't there something like that in place for the famous Kasparov vs. the World game?> yes Irina Krush literally made a data-tree and all on her own time, posted data from the forums onto her data-tree and posted info from here data-tree back onto the forums. She worked sooooo hard and we lost the world game because she was a few hours late in recommending a move (our world team followed her move like 25 moves in a row or something like that) <In any event, I support any idea that would better organize our efforts, even if it would obsolete the forum system and put me out of a job. The team comes first.> I appreciate your open-mindedness. I want to propose a revolutionary system, answer everyone's questions, and allow a vote of whether to adopt it. I'm even planning on transcribing everything from the forums onto my data-tree for a few weeks until the data-tree catches on and everyone can see its benefit. |
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Oct-12-07
 | | Open Defence: sorry the analysis of 12.Bf4 was going a bit too slowly |
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