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| Oct-08-08 | | zanshin: Ok <kutz>. It looks like GMAN has taken an extension until Saturday, unless he changes his mind and takes the full 7 days. I'm not sure if this complicates or simplifies our situation. Either case, we need to make new plans. Let me know if there is more analysis you want me to do. |
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Oct-08-08
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If he moves Saturday, the new plan is:
1) Saturday night I make forum plans for any contending black move and email them to you for Monday posting. Once there is a clear leader, immediately begin planning for Tuesday, but probably Wednesday. 2) Monday you post forums which I send you Saturday night. Continue planning for Tuesday or Wednesday. 3) Wednesday you post forums, depending on which move GMAN makes. 4) We will move next Friday (10/17). Slide forward on the leading contenders for us. I'll try to check in Thursday night but be prepared to post again next Friday. No more analysis is needed for now unless you want to guess GMAN's move and slide forward. |
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Oct-11-08
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*** <Analysis of 12...<Bxc6> 13. <Bd3>> User: Red October *** <Analysis of 12...<Bxc6> 13. <Ne2>> User: tweet77 *** <Analysis of 12...<Bxc6> 13. <Bg5>> User: ajile *** <Analysis of 12...<Bxc6> 13. <Rg1>> User: Dionyseus *** <Analysis of 12...<Bxc6> 13. <Bf4>> User: Karpova *** <Analysis of 12...<bxc6>> User: mckmck *** <Analysis of others> User: benjinathan |
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| Oct-13-08 | | zanshin: *** <Analysis of 13. <Bd3>> User: Red October *** <Analysis of 13. <Ne2>> User: tweet77 *** <Analysis of 13. <Bg5>> User: ajile *** <Analysis of 13. <Rg1>> User: Dionyseus *** <Analysis of 13. <Bf4>> User: Karpova *** <Analysis of 13. <Qf2>> User: classF *** <Analysis of others> User: benjinathan |
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| Oct-15-08 | | zanshin: (use this list if white plays 13.Bd3)
*** <Analysis of <13...O–O >> User: Red October *** <Analysis of <13...b5>> User: dalbertz *** <Analysis of <13...Rd8>> User: achieve *** <Analysis of <13...Nd7 >> User: mckmck *** <Analysis of <13...Rb8>> User: tweet77 *** <Analysis of <13...Rc8>> User: Karpova *** <Analysis of <13….O-O-O>> User: Dionyseus *** <Analysis of <13…d5>> User: classF *** <Analysis of <13…h4>> User: ajile *** <Analysis of others> User: benjinathan |
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| Oct-16-08 | | zanshin: <kutz> Glad to have you back! As you can read from my post in the main forum, I overdid it a bit with the last assignments ... didn't want to leave anything out ;-) I'll start sliding forward tomorrow ... I can post Saturday, but not Sunday (son's Bible class). |
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Oct-17-08
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*** <Analysis of 14. <Bg5>> User: dalbertz *** <Analysis of 14. <Ne2>> User: tweet77 *** <Analysis of 14. <Rhe1>> User: achieve *** <Analysis of 14. <h4>> User: ajile *** <Analysis of 14. <h3>> User: classF *** <Analysis of 14. <Rhg1>> User: mckmck *** <Analysis of others> User: benjinathan |
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| Oct-17-08 | | Dionyseus: <kutztown46> No assignment for me? Perhaps I can take 14.Qf2? |
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Oct-17-08
| | kutztown46: <Dionyseus>
You will be rotated in and out. Long term, there are nine forum hosts and I try not to have more than six active at one time. This gives everyone periodic breaks. Short term, I will give you fewer breaks than the others, until you catch up to the other forum hosts in the number of days active. You will be given a forum at the next turn. Until then, feel free to participate at another forum of your choice more fully than you would have time for when you are hosting a forum. Also, I have noticed that many of your assignments so far have been duds which generated little interest. I keep track of that sort of thing - see my forum header. When possible, I will try to steer more interesting moves your way. |
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Oct-17-08
 | | Open Defence: thanks! the break couldnt come at a better time, things are hectic at work :( |
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Oct-19-08
| | kutztown46: Temporary Forums:
(use this list if white plays 14. Ne2)
*** <Analysis of 14...<d5>> User: tweet77 *** <Analysis of 14...<Nd7>> User: Dionyseus *** <Analysis of 14...<O-O>> User: Karpova *** <Analysis of 14...<Rc8>> User: achieve *** <Analysis of 14...<Bb7>> User: Red October *** <Analysis of 14...<e5>> User: classF *** <Analysis of others> User: benjinathan |
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| Oct-19-08 | | zanshin: <After 14...d5, Fritz thinks 15. e5 is obvious: > <kutz> I did not slide forward because Rybka 3's separation for the top 3 moves is 0.21 - so I was thinking we might assign each a forum + <benjinathan>'s other moves. |
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| Oct-21-08 | | Waitaka: <kutztown46>, <zanshin> I am considering to drop the role of hosting the team engine analysis forum. I believe the forum is a good idea, but I failed to engage the team to use it. I also believe I cannot give this forum the amount of time and effort that is needed. Besides that, I think I did a bad job expressing myself freely, so I constructed an image about myself to other team members that made some people like me and some other people dislike me. The hoster of this forum has to be someone more neutral, I think. |
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Oct-21-08
| | kutztown46: <Waitaka>
I hope you will reconsider.
<I believe the forum is a good idea, but I failed to engage the team to use it.> We are only now getting to the point in the game where engine analysis is more important. I am sure it will be used more extensively as time goes on. <I also believe I cannot give this forum the amount of time and effort that is needed.> You know your limits better than we do, but you do not have to do all the work yourself. Maybe we could find someone to help you, as <rinus> did before. <I think I did a bad job expressing myself freely, so I constructed an image about myself to other team members that made some people like me and some other people dislike me.> I have not observed this. I do not consider you to be opinionated and would not hesitate to ask for your help when I need it. |
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Oct-21-08
| | kutztown46: Temporary Forums:
*** <Analysis of 15. <Bg5>> User: achieve *** <Analysis of 15. <Nd4>> User: mckmck *** <Analysis of 15. <h4>> User: dalbertz *** <Analysis of 15. <Rhe1>> User: ajile *** <Analysis of 15. <c3>> User: Dionyseus *** <Analysis of 15. <Bd4>> User: tweet77 *** <Analysis of others> User: benjinathan |
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| Oct-21-08 | | zanshin: <waitaka> I have always advised teammates to participate as much (or as little) as they want, depending on their situation. If it has really stopped being fun, then I for one will support your decision. Having said that, I think you need to step away from the game - just take a break from it, before you make your decision. We both feel your forum is an important one in the game. I know why you may feel you are controversial, but I also know the team as a whole supports you. |
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| Oct-21-08 | | Waitaka: Thanks for your feedback, <kutztown46> and <zanshin>. As I said, I am still making considerations, and your input were great. |
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| Oct-28-08 | | hms123: <kutz> An email is headed your way. |
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Oct-30-08
| | kutztown46: Temporary Forums:
*** <Analysis of 15…<Bb7>> User: mckmck *** <Analysis of 15…<Nd7>> User: classF *** <Analysis of 15…<Bd7>> User: Karpova *** <Analysis of 15…<Ba8>> User: Dionyseus *** <Analysis of 15…<O-O>> User: Red October *** <Analysis of 15…<Rb8>> User: achieve *** <Analysis of others> User: benjinathan |
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| Oct-30-08 | | sentriclecub: The very first proposal which I think should be obvious, is that if a temporary forum for a move gets no posts at all, then it should be allowed to be removed from the sticky during the last 24 hours (so that people can rely on the sticky to only hold "alive" forums, and no dead ones). I just oppose the philosophy of "better to have a dead forum, than to have someone resort to posting into <other moves> forum for an unpopular move(aka dead forums)." We have an analysis tree that you can spend 5 minutes on to get ideas of which lines have <zero analysis> and clip them out of the mix for sure. Then again, I know you'll never make everyone happy. Some people will feel bad if their pet move doesn't have its own forum, they will take it as a personal reflection of their move's value. For that I'll leave it up to you. I don't post analysis so I shouldn't have much say so, it should be up to the analysts and up to you since you put in more work than 98% of our 300 member team. Also, I'll remove the variation index from the sticky if someone hasn't already done so. |
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| Oct-30-08 | | sentriclecub: < kwid: Oct-30-08
It is timely to express my concern again about your forum setup. I strongly belief that we may be better served by referring to RV 's data for selecting our prime move candidates. More time and effort should be directed to identify our opponents options according to our humans position assessments. For example engines will not see Rhg1 or h3 to prepare for the inevitable kingside attack or as a waiting move until we lay our cards on the table in regards to our king safety etc. IMAGE move order layout is much simpler as we have at our tree forum which is too time consuming to follow. We need a MCO like layout with a print option which gives a simple overview of recommended lines accumulated from our combines input data.
Oct-30-08
sentriclecub: <kwid>I'll post that message to kutztown46's forum, since in his last message, I think he is on the last few minutes of his 1 hour lunch break, so he can not have to dig back to page 415, and I'll request that he reply on his forum also, to both our concerns about wasting forums for "dead moves" when we can group them into "other moves". <kwid's message moved to kutztown46 forum>> |
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| Oct-30-08 | | sentriclecub: <kwid>I'll post that message to kutztown46's forum, since in his last message, I think he is on the last few minutes of his 1 hour lunch break, so he can not have to dig back to page 415 |
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Oct-30-08
| | kutztown46: <sentriclecub: The very first proposal which I think should be obvious, is that if a temporary forum for a move gets no posts at all, then it should be allowed to be removed from the sticky during the last 24 hours (so that people can rely on the sticky to only hold "alive" forums, and no dead ones).> I would prefer instead if someone make a notation on the sticky that the forum is neglected. |
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| Oct-30-08 | | sentriclecub: < kwid: Oct-30-08
<zanshin: <kwid> I really don't understand your point - whether you want to rely more on <RV>'s analysis or more on 'human' analysis. I don't understand specifically the changes you are suggesting.>The forum system has served the team apparently well as it is. But to me it seems a time waisting effort to re harsh the suggested engines move when we have RV data. RV's data can only be improved if we humans interfere with Rybka,s evaluations. For example backsliding may bring force a new move because of hash or horizon lengthening. But most important for us is an insertion of moves forcing Rybka to reassess its evaluation when confronted with a slide beyond its short term horizon limit. Since we can not agree to formulate a game plan or strategy how to proceed in a given position, we could use the insertion method instead of looking at the engines top move candidates. Just look at 0-0 now where we all seem to fear we are sitting duck but Rybka may select it as its top choice because of the horizon limit imposed by our hard ware. If you insert Rhg1 or h3 moves which does not improve positions or mobility nor king safety just to name a few which are guiding the evaluation. But if you keep forcing the engine into a longer horizon by not following its suggested lines it may well come up with a proper evaluation based on where it had been and not by short term gains. Our existing forum system which selects our top candidates all based on engines short term horizons which in my opinion leads always to equality when left to its own evaluations. But may give us a rude awakening if our opponent uses these short term evaluations to reach beyond our horizon limited by following the engines top move candidate.> With this post he is referring specifically to your use of fritz when RV has the same positions ran on his 16-core and at deeper plys (which mitigate the horizon effect more than your machines) |
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| Oct-30-08 | | sentriclecub: Also, sign me up for a new role for the team. I can devote 2 hours every day with no exception. I quit wikipedia, and that is where I was wasting all my time. So any job you want to give me, to make someone else's job a little bit easier, sign me up. |
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