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| Dec-03-08 | | sentriclecub: I disagree about the shuffling of move orders.
It adds a lot more work to editing the sticky, which I did yesterday to help out. Since you aren't using RV's supercomputers to generate forum assignments, then you are in effect "shuffling" RV's ordering unless your 22-ply fritz gives the same exact ordering as RV's 28-ply Rybka3 I vote against double-shuffling the forums to make just two persons happy. Its not bias. Its misunderstanding that you don't use RV's official ordering, you use your own most of the time. Either that or go for a strictly alphabetical listing. To say that people are likely to click the sticky and vote for the 1st item in a list is not only an unconvincing argument, but also a bit short-sighted. Don't you think? I'm fixing to prep a "forum activity report" in a couple hours, and will mention which moves have come of intereest in the "other moves forum". |
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Dec-04-08
 | | kutztown46: <sentriclecub>
Your disagreement is noted.
<Either that or go for a strictly alphabetical listing.> That is exactly what I am doing - alphabetical by forum host name. That is guaranteed to be random since I strive to spread what I think are the most likely lines around. |
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Dec-04-08
| | kutztown46: Temporary Forums (order shuffled):
(use this list if black plays 23…Qc5)
*** <Analysis of 24. <Qe3> <Re8>> User: achieve *** <Analysis of 24. <Qe3> <d5>> User: ajile *** <Analysis of 24. <Qe3> <Nh5>> User: classF *** <Analysis of 24. <Qd2> <d5>> User: dalbertz *** <Analysis of 24. <Qd2> <Qe5>> User: Dionyseus *** <Analysis of 24. <Qe3> <Qe5>> User: mckmck *** <Analysis of 24. <Qd2> <Nh5>> User: Red October *** <Analysis of others> User: benjinathan Forum hosts in reserve: <Karpova>, <tweet77> Other white 24th moves which appear to be plausible based on engine analysis: 24. Qc1
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| Dec-04-08 | | sentriclecub: For next time, it was very confusing having four Qe3 moves grouped, but three of them together, and then the fourth Qe3 move was sandwiched between the other Qd2 moves. Dotsamont probably is very fast and effecient at whatever method he uses, but when he quits without warning, its just such a difficult task. This spot...
*** <Analysis of 24. <Qe3> <Qe5>> User: mckmck needed to be together with the other Qe3 moves. It took me so much longer because I kept assuming it was a typo and switching it back. I think the person who demanded shuffling only cared about the move following a stem, not shuffling stems also. Its your call, now that I know, I won't get confused next time, but since we'll be running two games soon, you seem to be putting more work on the volunteers just to sat keep everyone happy. This is the reason I believe that the job fair hasn't generated the "forum assistants" as planned, nor the "summary committee" actually functioning. Just a review of efficiency I believe is in order, since volunteers have seemingly lost interest in their duties. The volunteers are good people, but just too many bottlenecks exist. |
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Dec-04-08
 | | Open Defence: In <Red October> the line assigned is 24.Qd2 Nh5 right ? the marker says 24.Qd2 Qe5 with bonus analysis of 24.Qd2 Nh5 please let me know which is correct, thanks |
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| Dec-04-08 | | sentriclecub: Yeah, I got confused on that one, but still volunteered since it was 45 minutes and no one had updated the sticky. The "delete" expired and I can't delete it.
*** <Analysis of 24. <Qd2> <Nh5>> User: Red October is what it should say. |
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Dec-04-08
| | kutztown46: 24. Qd2 Nh5 is correct for <RO>. |
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Dec-04-08
| | Open Defence: I will repost myself, but I guess the link in the sticky should be updated by one of the bosses, I can do but I guess you prefer to keep sticky updation to a few |
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| Dec-04-08 | | Red October: new marker posted, if you would like me to relink the sticky entry please let me know |
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Dec-04-08
| | kutztown46: <RO>
Go ahead, if you don't mind. |
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Dec-04-08
| | Open Defence: done! |
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Dec-06-08
| | kutztown46: Temporary Forums:
(use this list if white plays 24. Qe3)
*** <Analysis of 24...<Re8>> User: achieve *** <Analysis of 24...<d5>> User: ajile *** <Analysis of 24...<Nh5>> User: classF *** <Analysis of 24...<Qe5>> User: mckmck *** <Analysis of others> User: benjinathan Forum hosts in reserve: <Karpova>, <tweet77>, <Dionyseus>, <dalbertz>, <Red October> Other black 24th moves which appear to be plausible based on engine analysis: 24...Qh5, Ke7, Ne8, Ke8
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Dec-08-08
| | kutztown46: Temporary Forums (alphabetical by forum host):
(use this list if black plays 24...Re8)
*** <Analysis of 25. <Red2>> User: achieve *** <Analysis of 25. <Nc2>> User: dalbertz *** <Analysis of 25. <Bc2>> User: Dionyseus *** <Analysis of 25. <Rc2>> User: Karpova *** <Analysis of 25. <a4>> User: Red October *** <Analysis of 25. <Qf2>> User: tweet77 *** <Analysis of others> User: benjinathan All of these moves were discussed by the team.
Forum hosts in reserve: <ajile>, <classF>, <mckmck> Other white 25th moves which appear to be plausible based on engine analysis: 25. Qd2, Qg1, a3, Ree1, Ka1, Rf2
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Dec-10-08
| | kutztown46: Temporary Forums:
(use this list if white plays 25. Red2)
*** <Analysis of 25...<Rh5> 26. <Bc2>> User: achieve *** <Analysis of 25...<Qc7>> User: ajile *** <Analysis of 25...<Re7>> User: classF *** <Analysis of 25...<Rh5> 26. <Nc2>> User: Dionyseus *** <Analysis of 25...<Rh5> 26. <a3>> User: Karpova *** <Analysis of 25...<a5>> User: mckmck *** <Analysis of 25...<Rh5> 26. <Qe1>> User: tweet77 *** <Analysis of others> User: benjinathan Forum hosts in reserve: <Red October>, <dalbertz> Other black 25th moves which appear to be plausible based on engine analysis: 25...Rg6
NOTE: The fact that I am assigning four forums for 25…Rh5 and only one for each of three other black moves does not imply any kind of <official> endorsement of Rh5. It is simply a reflection of that fact that the vast majority of the team’s discussion has been about this move. The assignment of forums for Qc7, Re7 and a5 are not based on engine analysis. Each of those three moves has received some discussion, but not nearly as much as Rh5. |
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Dec-12-08
| | kutztown46: Temporary Forums (alphabetical by forum host name):
*** <Analysis of 26. <Bc2> <g6>> User: achieve *** <Analysis of 26. <Nc2> <Qc7>> User: ajile *** <Analysis of 26. <Bc2> <Qc7>> User: classF *** <Analysis of 26. <Bc2> <Rc8>> User: dalbertz *** <Analysis of 26. <Nc2> <Qxe3>> User: Dionyseus *** <Analysis of 26. <a3>> User: Karpova *** <Analysis of 26. <Bc2> <a5>> User: Red October *** <Analysis of 26. <Qe1>> User: tweet77 *** <Analysis of others> User: benjinathan Forum hosts in reserve: <mckmck> Other white 26th moves which appear to be plausible based on engine analysis: 26. Qe2, Qf2, Ka1, Qg1, Rd3, a4, Re1
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Dec-14-08
| | kutztown46: Temporary Forums (alphabetical order by forum host name): (use this list if white plays 26. Bc2)
*** <Analysis of 26...<g6>> User: achieve *** <Analysis of 26...<Qc7>> User: classF *** <Analysis of 26...<Rc8>> User: dalbertz *** <Analysis of 26...<a5>> User: Red October *** <Analysis of others> User: benjinathan Forum hosts in reserve: <Dionyseus>, <Karpova>, <tweet7>, <ajile>, <mckmck> Other black 26th moves which appear to be plausible based on engine analysis: 26...Ba8, Qg5, Ra8, Rb8, Rd8, Qc4
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Dec-14-08
| | Open Defence: you had to give me Dan's line didnt you heh! |
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Dec-14-08
| | kutztown46: <OD/RO>
I have had Dan on ignore for weeks now. So I have no idea what move he is supporting. |
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Dec-14-08
| | Open Defence: I was just kidding <Boss> happy to serve in anyway!! |
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Dec-16-08
| | kutztown46: Temporary Forums (alphabetical order by forum host name): *** <Analysis of 27. <Qe1> Qc7 28. <Nb3> <d5> 29. <Re2> <e5>> User: achieve *** <Analysis of 27. <Qe1> Qc7 28. <Ne2>> User: ajile *** <Analysis of 27. <Qf4>> User: classF *** <Analysis of 27. <Qe1> Qc7 28. <Nb3> <d5> 29. <Re2> <dxe4>> User: Dionyseus *** <Analysis of 27. <Qe1> Qc7 28. <Nb3> <d5> 29. <Qe3>>> User: Karpova *** <Analysis of 27. <Qf2>> User: mckmck *** <Analysis of 27. <Qe1> Qc7 28. <Nb3> <Rd8>> User: tweet77 *** <Analysis of others> User: benjinathan Forum hosts in reserve: <Red October>, <dalbertz> Other white 27th moves which appear to be plausible based on engine analysis: 27. Qg1, Qe2, Bb3, Re1
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Dec-25-08
| | kutztown46: Temporary Forums (alphabetical by forum host name):
(use this list if white plays 27. Qe1)
*** <Analysis of 27...Qc7 28. <Nb3> <d5> 29. <Re2> <e5>> User: achieve *** <Analysis of 27...Qc7 28. <Ne2>> User: ajile *** <Analysis of 27...Qc7 28. <g4>> User: dalbertz *** <Analysis of 27...Qc7 28. <Nb3> <d5> 29. <Re2> <dxe4>> User: Dionyseus *** <Analysis of 27...Qc7 28. <Nb3> <d5> 29. <Qe3>> User: Karpova *** <Analysis of 27...Qc7 28. <Nb3> <Rd8>> User: tweet77 *** <Analysis of others> User: benjinathan Forum hosts in reserve: <Red October>, <mckmck>, <classF> Other black 27th moves which appear to be plausible based on engine analysis: 27...Rd8, Qb6, d5, Qg5, a5, Rc8, Qe5, Kg7
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| Dec-25-08 | | dotsamoht: I volunteer to be Sticky Updater for the Umansky game. I believe <sentricleclub> is interested in helping me when needed. I have sent him <zanshin>'s original e-mail detailing the process. If you would like to have <sentricleclub> do the Umansky game and have me just stick with GMAN, I will understand. Or we can tag team the two games.
However you wish... |
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| Dec-29-08 | | Boomie: <Kutztown46>
Notice this edit to your note on the Analysis Tree. The eval at the end of a line is more relevant than at the beginning. Notice the eval you gave is only 4 or 5 ply deep at the end of the line. RV does this because his lines are intended to be suggestive and he expects the analysts to work them over. I think it would be better to give no evals at the beginning of a line in the Tree because they are so frequently deceiving. 28. Nb3 d5 29. Re2 e5 30. Red2 dxe4 31. fxe4
<Analysis by Fritz 10 (23/24-ply):1. ² (0.46): 31...Re6 32.Qe3 Rc6 33.Rf1 Kg7 34.Rdf2 Qb6 35.Qxb6 Rxb6 36.Nc5 Bc8 37.a4 Rg5 38.b4 Rg3 39.Kb2 Rd6 40.axb5 axb5 <<(0.04/24 Fritz 11)>>> The eval went down with every ply searched. |
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Dec-29-08
| | kutztown46: <dotsamoht>
No problem. You can update the sticky in the Umansky game. |
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Dec-29-08
| | kutztown46: <Boomie>
Good to hear from you - I hope all is well with you.
I have no objection to you adding information to what I posted on the AT. Perhaps you could add your name to it but that is no big deal. Posting the eval at the beginning of the line is one type of information. Sliding forward and posting an eval at the end is a different (arguably better) type of information. Obtaining that info costs time. Let me explain what I was doing in my role as Forum Coordinator and why I put the info in the AT in the first place. As FC, I ran infinite analysis on many different moves - some are in the tree, some are not. This is done to determine what the plausible replies to a given move are. It has not been uncommon to have to look at a dozen different possible GMAN moves in 1-2 days. I barely have time to generate the analyses. Sliding forward is usually out of the question. I always kept a window open at the AT because part of my job was also keeping track of what moves and lines the team is discussing. So once I finished analyzing a given move, I would look and see if there is a node in the AT for it. If not, I do nothing. If there is, I look to see if anyone else has posted analysis. Sometimes, someone has. Again, I do nothing. But if there is a node with no posted analysis, and my analysis is already on my computer's clipboard, it takes only a few seconds to post it on the AT. I do not add the entire line (all the individual moves in the line)- I don't have time for that. To be honest, in my role, I don't even care about the entire line. I understand that moves beyond the first few in any infinite analysis line are probably useless. <RV> is not the only one who posts analysis with the eval at the beginning. I'm sure you realize many team members are doing the same thing. I think the members of the team are savvy enough to use the information properly. |
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