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Ed Trice: <1. You are closely involved with what is now called the Fischer book scam.>
By people who don't have the book, who have had disagreements with me way before this. Rob Mitchell, who tried to steal $35,000 from me by claiming he and the clown Mike Cowger already contacted Fischer and Karpov, which was a lie. http://www.GothicChess.com/lies.mov docments this."MageOfMaple", some loser named Greg Strong, who programmed ChessV, claimed it was some great program, which repeatedly got its ass kicked in Gothic Chess competitions. Due to his ridiculous claims, I got his ChessV programmed pulled from the SourceForge.net website, and he is still upset about that. Ed Labate, who is now on the run from the law, and since this is a criminal proceding and not a fake civil proceeding, I can't comment further until he is behind bars. You continually ignore the <FACT> that a highly respected International Master named Lawrence Day bought the book from someone in Canada, which I had no part in, and Lawrence Day believes the book was written by Fischer. Sorry dude, but there's no way a chess journalist and International Master was fooled by anyone. <2. You yourself have implied several times that it is a scam.> Yeah, and for all of your tongue-in-cheekiness, how can you not tell when I toss something out there that I know will suck up hours and hours of people's time, knowing full well what the result is? Don't you get it? I enjoy wasting their time more than they enjoy proving me wrong. Duh! You only have one life! Your chess clock is running. I spent 15 seconds typing something, La Master Bate spents 10 days posting and reposting his "evidence" that he spent days on. Guess what? I win! Labate dies with less time having spent enjoying life and more time spent "proving me wrong." <3. All the evidence points to your use of multiple accounts under different names to "talk up" the M61MG book, especially for drumming up interest in sales.> Dummy, people even thought early on you were me. Go back and read the posts. What ever happened to all of those other "me's" out there. Get real. I have one account, this one. It's all I have ever had. I don't try to "drum up sales". Thanks to Ed Labate mentioning my website in all of his posts, my sales spiked during his highest productivity. I even felt like giving him a commission! I sold more copies of Gothic Vortex at $30/copy then when I spent $200/week in a Google Adwords program. <4. Although you have a few undeniable points that you offer up, about various people (including yourself) predicting in 2007 Fischer's medical problems and death> What the hell are you talking about? I knew Fischer was sick before anyone else in America. So what? I disguised the post about what I learned when I was in Iceland for 5th and final time. SHOW ME ONE POST WHERE ANYONE PREDICTED FISCHER'S DEATH. Nobody did. Period, end. You are drawing conclusions that are both exaggerated and ridiculous. You say I knew about Fischer's health problems earlier than anybody, yet somehow I had no close contact with Fischer. I'd love to hear that explanation. <6. You continue to push the book, as in the recent World Open skittles table sales.> I don't "push" the book. I have at least one copy with me wherever I go. Ask anybody that knows me in chess circles that actually is with me when I play. <7. You continue to manufacture false evidence that the book is somehow legitimate (as in "for sale in the bookstore" when you meant "I am standing in the bookstore and will sell you a copy")> First of all, the Gata-Kamsky-looking guy from Chess4Less asked me for a percentage of my sales before he said anything else to me. The next words out of his mouth was that he had a contract. The next thing was "Should I go get Bill Goichberg?" And when Goichberg did approach, he was nowhere to be found, some other skinny dude with a laptop was with him. I was not selling books while in their bookstore. I was at least 100 feet away. Get your facts straight. <8. You fail to even attempt to answer legitimate and serious questions posed by <chancho>, <jim bartle>, <me>, and many others who initially had open minds (just read their early posts) about what was going on> Because they are loaded questions asked in such a manner that nobody would answer them. And I am not compelled to answer anyone's questions about anything, so why should I? Isn't your mind already made up? > |
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Ed Trice: <9. You apparently continue to troll for potential purchasers of what the general concensus in the chess community calls a fraud>
The poll that I saw somewhere had something like 75% favoring the book as real and I think 5% saying "unknown" and only 20% believing it was a hoax. If you think that the 4 confirmed Ed Labate clone accounts are the "general concensus", and mindless puppets such as the 5'6" tall RiverBeast and the moronic JessicaStinkyQueen count, then feel free to wallow in your ignorance.The "chess world" has spoken through that poll, not the clique of chessgames.com morons that you associate with, so go screw yourself. <10. Your method of defending your activities is to attempt to counter-defame, or expose in some way, or even just invent facts, about those who annoyingly are getting in your way> Back that up. Show all relevant posts.
<11. Your social skills are deteriorating, and are even embarrassing, in the way you shmooze up to those powerful individuals you feel you can still influence but viciously attack skeptics of little consequence> This is a fact? Or your opinion? My "social skills" are entirely evaluated through my responding to posts on here? Are you a loser or what? I can say the same exact thing about you. You don't know me. You know nothing of my social life. Everything you posted was pure conjecture, indicating again you are not seeking facts, but are just a gadfly. <12. Rather than meet head-on such accusations made by Einar Einarsson and others who knew Fischer well> Dude, I went to Iceland, several times. You didn't. Fischer IGNORED Einarsson after 2005. I know this for a fact. If Einarasson is a "wannabe" hanger-onner, and this little fact is embarassing to him, I can't help it. Look who was at the Fischer funeral. That's all he had left at the end. Everyone else's opinion of their alledged friendship status with Fischer doesn't matter. Fischer did not reciprocate Einarsson's claims of friendship. My last email with Einarsson was friendly, coordial, and just plain matter-of-fact. I don't need to "enagage" because I know everything else was horse crap. Those "emails" from Einarsson NEVER EVEN SHOWED HIS EMAIL ADDRESS anywhere on those pages. Gee, I wonder why? <In past posts I have offered you a smorgasbord of options to start from, to describe what you really did to aid M61MG's publication> And I said I would answer any question anyone asks me that is not sent from an anonymous email domain, and I have. > |
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| Jul-25-09 | | PinnedPiece: <ET>I think the tone of your replies says it all. |
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| Jul-25-09 | | Jim Bartle: Trice's reply is just breathtaking. The answers to #2 and #9 especially. Stupefying. |
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| Jul-25-09 | | PinnedPiece: <Ed Trice: Fischer IGNORED Einarsson after 2005. I know this for a fact. > It becomes absolutely inexplicable why you would write to Einar about funding a museum, given what you are now claiming. Ed, when you start trying to fit hundreds of verifiable facts that fit supportively together one way, into a new configuration of your own invention, they quickly cross each other up, fouling all your statements, casting doubt on all your other facts from A to Z, including your irrelevant rants about Greg Strong, Edward Labate (btw you continued use of "La Master Bate" has now grown so old and tired its not even an insult anymore--its more a signal how shriveled your inventiveness has become) Rob Mitchell, etc. etc. . |
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 | | chancho: chancho: So let me understand this. When Ebay was pulling the auction, Ed Trice accused Ed Labate of being Helgi and behind a book scam, he actually did it because he knew the book was written by Fischer, but he wanted to get his kicks in, and watch Labate waste his time in a lawsuit. I hope Labate read Trice's bs. What Trice said wasn't just stupefying it was downright insane. |
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| Jul-25-09 | | JustToClarify: It’s interesting how Trice combines the truth with lies. For example, there is some accuracy about the whole ChessV thing; however there are a lot of bald-faced lies in his statements, namely: <Ed Labate [...] is now on the run from the law> Completely false, and Trice naturally has no evidence backing this up. <there's no way a chess journalist and International Master was fooled by anyone.> Lawrence Day did support the book; however this is no proof the book is real, just proof that Trice has been able to fool some people some of the time. <I spent 15 seconds typing something> Not true; Trice spent a lot of time making a lot of sockpuppet accounts on the Invisionfree forum to try and support the existence of the book. <I have one account, this one.> Patently false; we have iron-clad proof Trice is using sockpuppets at the Invisionfree forum. <my sales spiked during his highest productivity> Trice always makes grandiose BS claims about his success when he is upset. See the grandiose claims when he asked to be unblocked at the Wikipedia, for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_t... <I don't "push" the book.> We have video of Trice selling the book at the world open, and he’s still lying through his teeth about not pushing the book. How pathetic. <I am not compelled to answer anyone's questions about anything, so why should I?> The fact that Trice has never admitted he has told lies speaks volumes about his personality and why he has been despised on every forum where he has had a presence: The checkers community, the chess variants community, BrainKing, RedHotPawn, the Wikipedia, and now ChessGames.com. |
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| Jul-25-09 | | JustToClarify: To be fair to Greg, and to defend ChessV, his intention with this program was never to make a program that plays a single variant well, but a program that plays a subset of chess-like variants fairly well. Trice's intention with Gothic Vortex was to make a program that played a single variant well. The programs had different goals; Gothic Vortex might have played Capablanca Chess better than ChessV, but ChessV played Grand Chess a lot better than Gothic Vortex did. |
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| Jul-25-09 | | Jim Bartle: That Wikipedia page is just amazing. All these people telling Trice he can't just stick whatever he feels like on pages about himself or Gothic Chess, writing pure self-glorification. |
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| | chancho: <Good catch PP>
If Einarsson was on Fischer's @#$% list after 2005, then why was this sent? <From: "GothicChessInfo@aol.com [mailto:GothicChessInfo@aol.com]> <Sent: 29. desember 2007 21:22> <To: "Einar S Einarsson" ; "Fridrik Olafsson" ; "Lothar Schmid"> <Subject: Proposed site of the Fischer Chess Museum> <Greetings Einar, Fridrik, and Lothar,> <I am happy to report that our non-profit organization received a $400,000 donation for the Fischer Chess Museum! We have raised nearly $1,000,000 in total now (I started this off with $250,000 of my own money) and once we hit the $2,000,000 mark, we will put the location of it to a vote.> <One of the most popular requests is in Bobby's native Brooklyn. Despite the USCF and USA sentiments, we still have the right to create such an establishment. Bobby might have a preference such as the Philippines, or maybe even Iceland.> <His input would be very much appreciated. I hope he is well.> <With my best regards,> <--Ed Trice>
The post Trice wrote about Labate running is good for laughs.
Labate is running from the law, and yet finds time to start a new site: http://www.edwardlabatecards.com/61...
Trice is a laugh a minute with his lies. |
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| Jul-25-09 | | robmtchl: Info about chess and the fraud book:
http://worldofchess.blogspot.com/ |
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| | chancho: Hey <Jim>, you're right about the wiki page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_t... 1. <You can't keep telling me that Gothic Chess is not relevant when I have played many times more games of Gothic Chess than chess. I have a low chess rating for one purpose and one purpose only. To make lots of money in the World Open. You remove my Gothic Chess rating, I will replace it, again, and again, and again.> 2. <Well "consensus" sure as hell ain't you either. I wasn't counting me in the 3 people. And you keep calling a "blanket revision", which is nothing more than reverting back to a PAGE OF YOUR OWN DESIGN if you hadn't even noticed.
You've been outvoted on the issue by other editors. References have been provided. You are just pigheaded, and incorrect. A guy who has been playing checkers for twice as long as you've been alive has been providing information you just elect to ignore. You are arrogant, just a "hack", and your social life is so empty you spend hours on here removing relevant material from this page that was originally written by someone who was nominated for a Pulitzer in the early 1990's. Do you actually believe anything in your life is worth something? It isn't. You can't make up for being a nobody by trying to pull 3RR on here.
GothicChessInventor (talk) 23:34, 26 January 2009> I assume that's Trice talking to the editor of wiki. And he says he keeps his rating "low" to make money in the world open. Only problem is he shows up, but doesn't play in the event. And he was nominated for a pulitzer? (or is that putzlizter) oh my... |
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| Jul-25-09 | | robmtchl: Reprinted with permission:
From: Einar S Einarsson
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 5:09 PM
To: 'Edward Labate'; SIGMAR B. HAUKSSON
Cc: Yasser Seirawan
Subject: RE: EAT
Sorry to hear about all of this EAT b.ulls.hit
which pisses me and all Icelanders off totally.
What an asurd extreme and nonsense.
I contacted both F.Friedel at Chessbase.com
and D.J.t Guesendam at NIT and they do not want
dignify and publish anything about this rubbish hoax
and blog which has sunken below all common sense.
Still what Ed Trice says or asserts about me and
others of Bobby´s fair friends does not bother us a bit. End of story.
Sincerely
Einar S. Einarsson
Chairman RJF Committee |
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| Jul-25-09 | | JustToClarify: I should probably introduce myself here. I am the same "Just to Clarify" that works on the Wikipedia to help make sure Trice doesn't use the Wikipedia to spread his nonsense. I have also once posted on Usenet a message for Trice, which he never replied to: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.... What I said back then still applies today; at this point I've given up. Trice wants to live in his fantasy and attacks anyone who points out the fantasies in his head are not real. I just help make sure no one else believes his BS at this point. |
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| Jul-25-09 | | Jim Bartle: Welcome, JTC.
If at all possible, could you give us a summary of the Trice saga on Wikipedia. The page posted above is so intriguing. |
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| | chancho: From the very beginning, starting with the announcement of the Gothic Chess match of Karpov vs Fischer, I have to believe it was all one giant pile of Horsesh*t. Trice says he helped raise 15 million and other additional revenues to promote the match, but the best Trice can do is an appearance on the Dan Heisman show, a newspaper clipping, and a mention on Susan Polgar's blog? What kind of miserable penny ante operation is that? Why not get air time on nationally seen shows like Today or The View? The money was there according to him no?
And I don't despice Ed Trice at all, if the guy were as successful as Bill Gates, well, more power to him. But every claim of his, has been exposed as just exactly what it is: HORSESH*T!!
Trice is right about one thing: He's making us all waste our time writting about him, which really is a waste. |
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| | chancho: And one other thing: Karpov has never commented on this Gothic match after it fell apart. Let me guess: There's un undisclosed agreement and he cannot talk after the fact (pffft) or perhaps he's embarrassed that he fell into a nonsense he wants to forget. |
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| Jul-25-09 | | JustToClarify: Jim: Trice showed up on the Wikipedia around 2004 when the Gothic Chess page was put up. Because of Trice's known habit of harassing people who disagree with him, I set up this anonymous account on the Wikipedia to counter his agressive editing of the Wikipedia around the same time. The Gothic Chess page was kept pretty much as-is until the Ed Trice page was set up in 2007. Soon, Trice put up a lot of his BS on the page like his "unbreakable reusable one-time cipher" and what not. When people doubted his greatness, or questioned his facts, he became very hostile and combative on the Wikipedia. Pretty soon, a lot of people on the Wikipedia didn't like him. In addition, policies on the Wiki evolved, and pretty soon it was considered a good idea to have references backing up your statements. As you all well know, Trice didn't have one shread of truth to back his BS up. In classic Trice style, he had a number of sockpuppet accounts set up to influence the articles about him in the Wikipedia. People very quickly wised up to Trice; Trice is hardly the first person to try and influence articles with sock accounts. In late 2007, we found out about the expired Gothic Chess patent. He got very angry, threatened lawsuits, everything. Then he tried to delete from the archives all discussion about the expired Gothic Chess patent. None of this worked; people can see that the patent was expired in 2006 and that Ed Trice flat out tried to deny the patent was expired in late 2007. In 2008, he tried multiple times to add information about his BS $15,000,000 Gothic Chess tournament to the Wikipedia article about Bobby Fischer. I helped make sure all non-Trice editors didn't support adding this information, and consensus was that the material didn't belong. Trice tried for months to put information about Gothic Chess in the Bobby Fischer Wikipedia article before finally giving up. He went back to trying to put his BS in the "Ed Trice" Wikipedia article. By early 2009, we had enough of him and I was helping remove anything from the article that wasn't backed up by an iron-clad reliable source. In late January 2009, he tried one last time to use multiple sockpuppets and his very aggressive unpleasant personality to influence the Wikipedia. We had enough of him and blocked him from editing for a day, letting him know blocks would last longer if he continued his unacceptable behavior. After unsuccessfully trying to appeal the block, he left the Wikipedia and hasn't come back. A week or so later, other editors decided Trice didn't deserve a Wikipedia article at all, and I deleted it. Trice hasn't come back to the Wiki since then. |
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| Jul-25-09 | | JustToClarify: As an aside, I did post a copy of my Usenet posting from a year or so ago on Trice's page; he promptly deleted the post and blocked me from posting to his page. Well, now I know he has read it, so time to move on. |
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| | chancho: <Ed Trice: Yet newspaper sources cite this, <<<after I showed then copies of the Swiss Bank account where the money was held in escrow They called the Swiss Bank, and were able to verify it.>>> Susan Polgar was shown the match contract, she knew Karpov had already accepted the deal, and she was quoted as having said the money was in the bank.> Sure, we should just believe Trice given all his many lies which have already been exposed. |
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| Jul-25-09 | | JustToClarify: Since Ed is posting here, I'll repost the article he deleted from his page. Ed,
I posted this a year ago, but am posting it again because I want to be sure you read this. As I told you on the Wikipedia, I care about you as a human being and your feelings as a human being matter to me. Ed, I know it's a lot easier and more pleasant to live in a fantasy where Gothic Chess is a game that really attracts thousands of players at tournaments. Yes, I know it's pleasant to live in a fantasy where your "reusable one time pad" cipher is truly a brilliant cryptographic invention. Yes, Ed, I know it's pleasant to live in a fantasy where you really did raise $15 million to get Fischer to play Gothic Chess before he died. But all of that is a fantasy. As long as you live in that fantasy, Mr. Trice, you are not getting better. You are just alienating people here and all over the internet more and more. People truly hate you, Mr. Trice, and it's because of your actions. You should have apologized to Mr. Labate instead of trying to cover up your actions with more lies. As you bury yourself in a world of lies and fantasy, you make things worse for yourself. Now you have lost your lawsuit with him. And not too long after losing $25,000 in a judgment in another lawsuit. Come out of the hole, Ed. Tell us the truth. Tell us that you are truly sorry for all of the lies in the delusions you have lived in. There are so many people you have made upset, but I believe if you change your ways and stop trying to make people believe you lies, and admit the truth, a lot of us will forgive you for your actions. I don't know what your problem is. I don't know you as a person, but based on your internet interactions, I think it is reasonable to speculate that maybe you need psychiatric help. I know there's something wrong with someone who lives in a world of deception and lies as much as you do, and I know you aren't going to get better until you stop lying to yourself and to others and admit that you need help. I hope you get better, Mr. Trice, but I personally feel you're beyond help. It really saddens me to see you like this; to see you live a miserable life because you retreat to fantasy instead of living in reality. |
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| Jul-25-09 | | Jim Bartle: Many thanks for the summary, JTC.
I've read just a little about Wikipedia. (I mean how it works, not reading the articles.) Sounds like a really intricate web made up of thousands of people. |
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Some Rule #3 violations were cleaned up today. Some impassioned argument must be allowed on this M61MG topic. But otherwise please observe common decency, thankyou. |
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| Jul-26-09 | | Pyke: From the Ed Trice forum:
<Ed Trice: I didn't delete my replies to your post. So the chessgames admin must have.> Now why would they do that? ... |
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