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Nov-24-11
 | | WannaBe: Back in 1990, my first year in college, I was at a Calgary-LA game, it was late season game, maybe 3 or 4 games left, the two teams were in a very tight fight for the final play-off seed (8th). Things got chippy right off the bat, elbowing during face-off, a little extra face shove before/after the whistle blew. This was back at the ol' Forum, not the new Staples Center, at the ol' Forum, the two opposing teams are only separated by a piece of 'glass'. Sure enough, with few minutes left in the 1st period, the coaches were jawing at each other, next thing we know, that piece of glass was gone, both sides put their hands on that glass and raised it! So the bench can fight! The refee (back then, it was one refee and 2 linesmen.) call the period, sent both team to locker room for their break. When the teams came back on ice, they finished the remainder of 1st period, and 30 seconds later, resumed 2nd period. One of the wildest hockey game I've ever seen in person. This is how hockey takes care of 'problems'... I love this game! =) '98 fight, notice when fights broke out the referee just stood there with the 'Why Me' look, while the poor linesmen try to bring order, but when the two goalies went at it, the referee stepped in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHNE... '97 fight, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7Dl... This one is pretty good, I don't remember this one, notice how close the two benches are, and also behind the goalie's net, where two players are on the ice, 'huggin' if you will, but not fighting. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY4q... |
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Nov-24-11
 | | Phony Benoni: One last comment on the parallels between the Packers-Lions Thanksgiving games of 1962 and 2011. Both games were decided by 12 points. In 1962, the final was 26-14; in 2011, it was 27-15. It's amazing how the offenses have progressed in fifty years. |
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| Nov-25-11 | | Jim Bartle: Some of the Detroit-Colorado fight really is funny. As wannabe noticed, the referee just stands by with his arms folded while four guys are trying to kill each other down on the ice, like it's none of his business. I thought he was going to look at his watch. Then goalie Patrick Roy comes up, and all of a sudden the ref becomes Mr. Tough Guy, pushing Roy around. What sticks out for me in the hockey fight videos is that the announcers immediately turn into skilled boxing announcers, doing detailed blow-by-blows. That tells us how much fighting there is in hockey. |
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| Nov-25-11 | | playground player: <Phony Benoni> Doug Melvin was a kid in my neighborhood, back in the Bronze Age, and I have no idea why I typed in him instead of Bob Melvin. Must be getting old. <Jim Bartle> Yes, that was the point: all those guys played for both the Giants and the Tigers. I'm kicking myself for forgetting Darrel Evans, though. A much under-appreciated player in his time. Toothpick Sam Jones was one of my favorite players back then, and I was overjoyed when the Giants got him. They could afford to part with Bill White, and Sam won 20 games for the Giants in 1959. It wasn't his fault they weren't in the World Series instead of the accursed Dodgers. |
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| Nov-25-11 | | Jim Bartle: Who'd the Giants get to replace White at 1st base after they traded him? Actually, the answer isn't that simple.
Darrell Evans was one of those under-appreciated guys until the Bill James-type thinking began to take hold. He always had a fairly low batting average, so he wasn't considered that great, but he hit for a lot of power, and walked an awful lot. He'd always hit fifth or sixth throughout his career, until Frank Robinson moved him up to hit second in front of Chili Davis and Jack Clark in 1983 (maybe earlier as well). He continued to get on base, score a lot of runs, and still hit for power. |
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Nov-25-11
 | | Phony Benoni: <playground player> Toothpick Sam Jones started for the Tigers in the first game I saw in person. He no-hit the Orioles for the first five innings, totally lost it in the sixth, and the Tigers wound up losing on a couple of infield errors in the ninth inning. |
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| Nov-25-11 | | Jim Bartle: Apologies to PB and others, as I'm sure I'm re-posting this. A 1983 game against the Expos at Candlestick, the last big league game I went to until 2002. A day game, ended up 12-9 in Montreal's favor. http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/... It was the first time I'd seen Andre Dawson play in person, and oh man, he hit the ball to every corner of the park, finally hitting one about 60 ft. over the centerfield fence. And that was back when he was sleek and fast. Matt Kemp is a paler version of that Dawson today. Davis and Clark each hit two homers (Davis one from each side), yet the Giants still lost. (Memory tells me they hit consecutive homers twice, but it was just once.) Joel Youngblood came up with two on in the fifth, and my friend was whining about "How can a team with Youngblood hitting sixth?" What a great moment when he hit the next pitch out of the park. Still, not often a team hits five homers, and at Candlestick (!), and loses. |
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Nov-25-11
 | | Phony Benoni: Good grief. How often does a starting pitcher go 3 for 3, but not qualify for the win because he can't last five innings? |
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| Nov-25-11 | | Jim Bartle: What a relief! PB's memory can fail him from time to time. Jones fell apart in the seventh inning of that game, not the sixth: http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/... Still, Mossi and Regan, not Jones, seem to be the prime culprits, giving up a two-run lead in the ninth. |
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| Nov-25-11 | | Jim Bartle: Didn't even remember the pitcher hitting, PB. As I said, it was a wild game. Expos were up 9-1 and the Giants cut it to 11-9 before losing. Great fun. |
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| Nov-25-11 | | Jim Bartle: PB: Your first major league game, and you saw Whitey Herzog, Dick Williams and Charlie Lau. Lau even got a big pinch-hit. |
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Nov-25-11
 | | Phony Benoni: The relievers didn't help, but it was shorstop Chico Fernandez and second baseman Jake Wood who messed up two potential game-ending double plays in a row that blew the game. |
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| Nov-25-11 | | Jim Bartle: My first major league game:
http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/... Five Boys of Summer, plus Mays and Cepeda. Sat in the leftfield bleachers, Seals Stadium. |
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Nov-25-11
 | | Phony Benoni: <JB> You didn't waste any time: Opening Day, first game between the transplanted teams! |
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| Nov-25-11 | | Jim Bartle: No, my father shelled out $4.50 for three seats in leftfield! And Ruben Gomez defeated Drysdale. I just wish I knew which game it was where Leon Wagner hit my mother on the calf with a batting practice homer (90 cents a seat). My dad was watching the ball with binoculars so didn't try to grab it. I just watched. The ball bounced back on the field. Truth is, until I looked up the box score, I didn't realize I'd seen Pee Wee Reese play, though he, Snider and Furillo were past their prime in 1958. The Giants that year were filled with rookies and young players, plus Mays, who was 26. I'm surprised to see Valmy Thomas was the catcher; he was the eternal backup. Bob Schmidt became the regular, though not a great one. As I've written before, that wasn't my first game to see a major league team play, just my first big league game. I'd seen the Red Sox play the SF Seals in a spring training game the year before: Williams, Jackie Jensen, Malzone, etc. I don't remember Jimmy Piersall doing anything real strange. |
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Nov-25-11
 | | WannaBe: Wonder how much were the hotdogs and sodas back then... |
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| Nov-25-11 | | Travis Bickle: How much was the beer? ; P |
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| Nov-25-11 | | Jim Bartle: I think it was still during prohibition... |
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| Nov-26-11 | | playground player: Seeing Sam Jones in person... not to mention Mays, Cash, Colavito, Ruben Gomez(!)--I envy you guys, I really do. When I finally got to see Orlando Cepeda in person, he laid down a bunt and knocked the Yankees out of the pennant race. There's no one playing today, except for Derek Jeter, that I'd pay to see. (O where are Landrith and Lumpe, and Balin and Balan?--King Arthur) |
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Nov-26-11
 | | WannaBe: My dream scenario...
#1 LSU def #3 Arkansas (Fri.) SEC Championship Game against #13 Georgia. #2 Alabama - #24 Auburn
#3 Arkansas loss #1 LSU (Fri.)
#4 Okla. St. - Oklahoma
#5 Virg. Tech - Virginia
#6 Stanford - #22 Notre Dame
#7 Boise St. - Wyoming
#8 Houston - E. Carolina or Marshall*
#9 Oklahoma - Iowa St. then Okla. St.
Okay, here we go
#1 loses to #13 in the SEC Championship game. #2 loses to Auburn, #3 already lost. #4 loses to Oklahoma, #5 V. Tech loses to Virginia (Virginia goes to ACC Championship game.) #6 losses to ND, #7 blows out Wyoming, #8 blows out Marshall/E. Carolina in the Conf-USA Championship game. Voila, we will have Boise St. - Houston in the BCS Championship Game!! =) Another scenario, Oregon wins the Pac-12 Championsip game, by beating UCLA 49-10, Stanford whips ND (No Defence) goes up in the ranking. The Ducks would then be playing in the Rose Bowl, as the Pac-12 Champs, and most likely face the winner of the Big-10 (Penn St./Wisc./Mich. St.) Championship game. While Stanford, ranked higher, would get a 'better' bowl! Maybe Orange, or Fiesta, (This years' Championship game is at New Orleans Superdome.) So, in theory and on paper, the Pac-12 Champ would get a 'lesser' bowl than the no-winner. Of course, this would all change, if Beavers beat the Ducks, and then Stanford would win the Pac-12 North, and face UCLA at Palo Altos for the Pac-12 Championship game. Let the chaos begin! |
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Nov-26-11
 | | Phony Benoni: Aren't you glad that computers have ended all the College Football Championship controversies? |
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Nov-26-11
 | | Phony Benoni: Meanwhile, the Team Masquerading As Ohio State leads the Team Masquerading As Michigan 24-23 at halftime. |
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Nov-26-11
 | | WannaBe: Game over, the Wolverines won, ever wonder why they U of Mich. don't have a live mascot? Hugh Jackman would be a great mascot, draws a lot of female population to the school. Live mascots are great, like UGA or Colorado Buffaloes, heck even Texas have Bevo! Also wonder why UCLA don't have real-life Bruin on the side line... This is my favourite one, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foGH... UGA, go get 'em! Now, if we have a live bruin at the sideline... Woo-Wee!! (This happened after the Auburn player scored a touchdown. How does the dog know?!) From what I heard on ESPN during the A&M - Texas game, the name Bevo is actually the football score of 13-0 written on the side of the poor animal by A&M. 'Course, Texas changed it to B-E-V-O, hence the name. More useless trivia, but if you should win Jeopardy, keep me in mind. =) |
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| Nov-26-11 | | Jim Bartle: Stanford also has a live mascot, a tree. I wonder if they played Georgia, would Uga come over and pee on the tree? That question doesn't come up every year because Washington doesn't have a real Husky. |
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Nov-26-11
 | | WannaBe: <Jim Bartle> That, would be funny, watching the gal/guy inside the tree try to run away from the dog. I thought that dog is a Husky, what is it? A malamute? I can't tell those two breeds apart. You'll never catch me being the judge at a dog show. |
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