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Jan-28-12
 | | Phony Benoni: <JB> That's right. Probably the best performance ever was Pedro Martinez in 2000, when he had a 1.74 ERA while the league average was 4.91. Mind-boggling. And his ERA+ is even better when you adjust for his home stadium, which was Fenway Park. |
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| Jan-28-12 | | playground player: <Jim Bartle> Facts at his fingertips! Actually, that sounds like a reasonably useful stat. I wonder what the ERA+ was for Lefty Grove and Dazzy Vance in 1930. Both were well under 3.00, while the league was... well, it looked like slow-pitch softball, didn't it? |
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Jan-28-12
| | Phony Benoni: <playground player> Grove and Vance were in the 180s. Here's a list of the best performances: http://www.baseball-reference.com/l... In line with your observation, the highest numbers might be expected from come from years of great offense, but there are a number of great seasons from the deadball era as well. |
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| Jan-28-12 | | Jim Bartle: I think the statheads have devised these + stats because they can be applied to all sorts of things, using the 100 baseline as the average. I'm pretty sure I've seen it applied to batting average, on-base percentage, and the dreaded OPS. So different statistics, including pitching vs. batting, can be compared in a reasonable manner. Pedro Martinez had a six or seven year period where he was almost unhittable, Fenway or no Fenway. His record was 101-28 his first six years in Boston, including one year of just 7-3. In 1999 Martinez went 23-4, yet somehow didn't have a single decision for almost a month following the All-Star Game. Apparently he threw his arm out in that game, striking out five of the six he faced, and was slow to recover. He may have surpassed the Koufax/Guidry/Clemens great years if he hadn't gotten so hyped up for the All-Star Game. |
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| Jan-28-12 | | King Death: < playground player: I wonder what the ERA+ was for Lefty Grove and Dazzy Vance in 1930. Both were well under 3.00, while the league was... well, it looked like slow-pitch softball, didn't it?> The 1930 season had the highest team ERA ever in the modern era by the Phils. Scroll down to that for an ugly looking number. Even Chuck Klein and scoring 6.05 runs a game couldn't help them. http://www.baseball-reference.com/l... Here they are:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/p... http://www.baseball-reference.com/p... One hint: you can mouse over the heading for an explanation if you don't understand the category. |
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| Jan-28-12 | | Jim Bartle: Wow, the Phillies were almost .500 at home in 1930 but 17-60 on the road. That must have been really depressing. I think I've brought up the 1987 Cleveland pitching staff as the modern equivalent before: a 5.28 ERA. Some player in the third or fourth inning of the 15-14 game in the 1993 Series said something like, "Look out, this is going to get crazy." Every Phillies game in 1930 must have felt like that. |
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| Jan-28-12 | | Jim Bartle: I couldn't resist. I looked through the Phils' 1930 season, and found couple of amazing things, at least amazing to me. They scored 10 or more runs 25 times, which has to be a lot even for 1930. They lost nine of those games, including consecutive games where they scored 15 runs. |
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Jan-28-12
| | Phony Benoni: Here's the 1930 Phillies' game log:
http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/... Box scores are available, but not play-by-play. I don't think the Internet has enough space for that. They started the season with a 1-0 win, getting the craziness out of the way at once. I count 13 games where both teams scored at least 10 runs. Grover Cleveland Alexander entered the season needing just one win to pass Christy Mathewson. Not only did he fail to get it, he pitched so badly that the Phillies cut him by the end of May. Hard to get lower than that. |
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| Jan-28-12 | | King Death: Those first few games they played in 1930 would've fit in pretty well with either the deadball era or the 1960s but then the Phils got down to being awful. |
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Jan-28-12
| | Phony Benoni: Attention all bookies! Which will have the bigger over/under: the score in the Pro Bowl, or the number of television viewers who actually care? |
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| Jan-28-12 | | King Death: <Phony Benoni> If they get lucky the small time bookies can find somebody else to lay off all of that excess action they're bound to get when the score gets 90% of the play. |
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Jan-29-12
 | | OhioChessFan: Shawn Payton, from Jackson Michigan, threatens Sean Payton: <"Hi, I want you to relay a message to the sideline. If your stupid Southern team keeps winning, there will be reper … severe consequences. OK?"> http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/sto... |
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| Jan-29-12 | | King Death: <OCF> He could've gone out and punched a wall or something to let out his anger or depression, that was a thoughtless moment that will haunt him for good. |
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| Jan-29-12 | | Jim Bartle: Or he could have put on a helmet and smashed a wall poster of the Saints, a la Frerotte. |
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Jan-29-12
| | Phony Benoni: He'll probably get the book thrown at him for an SWI, Stupidity While Intoxicated. But you'd think that someone who lives near the State Prison would know enough to watch his step. But that's the underside of sports, when winning becomes the only thing and the attitude is "My Team, Right or Wrong". And then there are some fans who simply can't handle success. Goodness knows Lions' fans haven't had much practice. |
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| Jan-29-12 | | King Death: <Phony Benoni> SWI, that's one that should be on the books in every state. Maybe he wanted a vacation and three square meals every day. |
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| Jan-29-12 | | Jim Bartle: "SWI, that's one that should be on the books in every state." Aren't we spending enough on prisons already? |
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| Jan-29-12 | | playground player: "Good pitching stops good hitting--and vice-versa." --Lefty O'Doul |
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| Jan-29-12 | | King Death: <Jim Bartle> Prisons are big business but they could use SWI to replace some of the stuff that's in the penal codes I expect. |
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| Jan-29-12 | | King Death: Now Jim Irsay's denying that he's decided if Peyton Manning's coming back as a Colt next season: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7... To pay that roster bonus of $28 million is a lot for somebody that may not even be in game shape. I'll bet they let him walk, draft Luck and take their chances. That team has so many needs that they'll be a few years away from being respectable again. Even Manning at 100% wouldn't be enough for more than 7 or 8 wins next year. |
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Jan-29-12
| | Phony Benoni: <King Death> If Peyton does get the axe in the neck, I understand the Giants are looking for a good backup quarterback. |
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| Jan-29-12 | | King Death: <Phony Benoni> That would go over real well with Daddy. |
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| Jan-29-12 | | King Death: So Mark Cuban's out of the running for the Dodgers. This isn't a surprise, Bud Selig wants a more button down kind of guy like Frank McCourt. Oh, I forgot something, McCourt's the owner now and Selig can't wait to get rid of him. Cuban would have made the Dodgers into a good team again though. It's their loss. |
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| Jan-30-12 | | Jim Bartle: The Dodgers should belong to the O'Malleys and only the O'Malleys. That's the only way we can really hate them, have a serious rival. It was pretty hilarious when Tom O'Malley became the Giants' third baseman. It just didn't feel right. |
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Jan-30-12
 | | WannaBe: Madden '12 simulation:
http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugge... |
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