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Nov-27-13
 | | WannaBe: Todd Jones?! Never hoid of him.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-b... |
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Nov-27-13
 | | OhioChessFan: Strange career. 3 saves in 5 years, and then puts up 115 in the next 3 years. |
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| Nov-27-13 | | Travis Bickle: <OhioChessFan: Strange career. 3 saves in 5 years, and then puts up 115 in the next 3 years.> He had the 3 saves with The Cubs then after being traded to Detroit he got the 115. : 0 |
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Nov-27-13
 | | Phony Benoni: Ah,yes, Travis. Ol' Roller Coaster. He made fortunes for more cardiologists than any other pitcher in history. So, let's look at the ballot. First-timers:
• Moises Alou
• Armando Benitez
• Sean Casey
• Ray Durham
• Eric Gagne
• Tom Glavine
• Luis Gonzalez
• Jacque Jones
• Todd Jones
• Jeff Kent
• Paul Lo Duca
• Greg Maddux
• Mike Mussina
• Hideo Nomo
• Kenny Rogers
• Richie Sexson
• J.T. Snow
• Frank Thomas
• Mike Timlin
Maddux is probably a sure bet, and certainly Glavine and Thomas are favorites to make it. Hard to see any of the others joining them;. Players like Kent, Mussina, and Rogers were conssitently good but not great, while players like Gagne, Gonzalez, and Nomo were occasionally great but didn't have the long-term consistency. <Retreads>:
• Jeff Bagwell, fourth year, 59.6%
• Barry Bonds, second year, 36.2%
• Craig Biggio, second year, 68.2%
• Roger Clemens, second year, 37.6%
• Edgar Martinez, fifth year, 35.9%
• Don Mattingly, 14th year, 13.2%
• Fred McGriff, fifth year, 20.7%
• Mark McGwire, eighth year, 16.9%
• Jack Morris, 15th year, 67.7%
• Rafael Palmeiro, fourth year, 8.8%
• Mike Piazza, second year, 57.8%
• Tim Raines, seventh year, 52.2%
• Curt Schilling, second year, 38.8%
• Lee Smith, 12th year, 47.8%
• Sammy Sosa, second year, 12.5%
• Alan Trammell, 13th year, 33.6%
• Larry Walker, fourth year, 21.6%
With the drug scandal this year, I don't see any of the questionable cases getting support. That might give Biggio and Morris enough support by default, especially since it's Morris's last year. But if all three of the surefire newcomes get in, they're probably out of luck. |
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Nov-27-13
 | | Phony Benoni: <OCF> Looking at TOdd Jones' record, it appears to be three saves over three years, 2002-2004. He played various teams during that period, which makes it look like more years were involved. <Travis>: Hmmm. He never pitched for the Cubs. |
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Nov-27-13
 | | WannaBe: Okay, let's pretend that I am eligible for vote for HoF, and with max of 10 players, and min of 0 players (empty ballot) Glavine, Maddux, McGriff, Morris |
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| Nov-27-13 | | Jim Bartle: J.T. Snow? |
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| Nov-27-13 | | Jim Bartle: I'm going with Maddux, Glavine, Thomas, Biggio, Bagwell, Mattingly, Morris, Piazza and Raines. I count five guys not going in because of steroids. |
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Nov-27-13
 | | OhioChessFan: Maddux, Glavine, Thomas. Can't quite pull the trigger on Biggio. |
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Nov-27-13
 | | OhioChessFan: The only Jones I can think of as a relief pitcher for the Cubs is Sam Jones. He has a very interesting historical first as a starter. Anyone know? |
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Nov-27-13
 | | Phony Benoni: Had to look up Paul Lo Duca. Good hitting catchers, had a couple of All-Star quality seasons. Naturally I checked out his one career game at 3B: http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/... Note the middle of the Giants' line-up with three potential Hall-of-Famers in a row. |
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| Nov-27-13 | | Jim Bartle: <OhioChessFan: The only Jones I can think of as a relief pitcher for the Cubs is Sam Jones. He has a very interesting historical first as a starter. Anyone know?> Sure. First to win with a toothpick in his mouth. |
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| Nov-27-13 | | Travis Bickle: <Phony Benoni: <OCF> Looking at TOdd Jones' record, it appears to be three saves over three years, 2002-2004. He played various teams during that period, which makes it look like more years were involved. <Travis>: Hmmm. He never pitched for the Cubs.> Yeah but a guy just like him did. ; P |
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| Nov-27-13 | | Travis Bickle: <Phony Benoni> • Luis Gonzalez?? He was juiced for awhile. Remember when The Hall of Fame ballot had names like Mantle, Mays, Frank Robinson, Mike Schmidt & Roberto Clemente on it? ; P |
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| Nov-27-13 | | Jim Bartle: More seriously, I believe Sam Jones was the first black to throw a no-hitter. He was also the first American black starting pitcher for the SF Giants. |
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Nov-27-13
 | | WannaBe: <JB> You, sir, are correct, S. Jones was the first! |
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| Nov-27-13 | | Jim Bartle: Jones was also traded for a future President of the National League. |
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Nov-28-13
 | | Phony Benoni: <Remember when The Hall of Fame ballot had names like Mantle, Mays, Frank Robinson, Mike Schmidt & Roberto Clemente on it?> Well, Travis, here's the ballot for 1974, when Mantle wasf elected. How could they keep any of these guys out, especially Phil Cavarretta?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseba... |
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Nov-28-13
 | | OhioChessFan: I've got to look it up, but IIRC Pete Rose once mentioned the reason the National League had the long winning streak back then was they had much better depth. He specifically mentioned one year when the backups in the outfield were Mays, Clemente, and Aaron. |
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Nov-28-13
 | | OhioChessFan: I give up. I sure can't find an All Star roster that shows that. |
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| Nov-28-13 | | Jim Bartle: Mays, Mantle, Robinson, sure...There are still great names on the Hall of Fame ballot today. |
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Nov-28-13
 | | perfidious: <PB>: Maddux, Glavine and Thomas all rate as first-ballot players likely to get in; actually, I should think Maddux is a mortal lock with Glavine not far behind. Thomas may be, ah, hurt by all those games at DH. Never been totally sold on Morris-I would sooner vote for Trammell and don't understand why he has never generated anything like the number of votes needed for induction. One suspects more than a touch of the Ozzie Effect, but for his brilliance, Smith was not <that> much better as a defensive shortstop and Trammell had a far more robust bat. Raines is another case of a great player not being the best of his type, as he was the third-best leadoff hitter in his era, after Rickey Henderson and Molitor. If he had begun his career in 1969 instead of 1979, first-ballot material. The other votes go to Bagwell, Biggio, Piazza, Raines and Trammell. |
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Nov-28-13
 | | Phony Benoni: <perfidious> Both Trammell and Morris were consistent rather than spectacular. The main difference betwen them is that Morris got several chances to shine in the postseason and took advantage of them. That Big Stage makes a difference. I'm sure Curt Schilling will always have more support than might be expected simply because of the Bloody Sock game. And now I have to get back to watching the Packers and the Cubs. |
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| Nov-28-13 | | Jim Bartle: Trammell was held back because he never had a reliable double-play partner. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc_yET... |
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Nov-28-13
 | | WannaBe: Lions smok'd them Packers!! Time to start a winning streak on Thanksgiving Day. |
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