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| Jun-02-09 | | YouRang: "Philles" = "Phillies", Jeez. :-\ |
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Jun-02-09
 | | Phony Benoni: Back to third base. I looked through the Hall of Fame Roster for the position, and here's a list to consider, in alphabetical order: 1) Wade Boggs. 2440 games, 3010 hits, 118 HR, 1014 RBI, .328 lifetime average. Little power, adequate fielder. 2) George Brett. 2707 games, 3154 hits, 317 HR, 1595 RBI, .305 average. Batting titles in three decades. Adequate fielder. Did that home run against Gossage wind up counting? 3) Eddie Mathews. 2391 games, 2515 hits, 512 HR, 1453 RBI, .271 average. Numbers comparable to Schmidt, but not in his class in the field. 4) Robinson. 2896 games, 2848 hits, 28 HR, 1357 RBI, .267 average. Sparky Anderson, after the 1970 World Series: "I'm beginning to see Brooks Robinson in my dreams. If I dropped a paper plate, he'd pick it up on one bounce and throw me out at first." Lee May: (hold on, maybe I'd better not quote him). 5)Schmidt: 2404 games, 2234 hits, 548 HR, 1595 RBIs, .267 average. Excellent fielder. 6) Pie Traynor. 1941 games, 2416 hits, 58 HR, 1273 RBIs, .320 average. Considered the best fielder of his time. The traditional choice. Being conservcative by nature, I'm leaning toward Traynor. After all, we've got Bench and Ruth and Gehrig and Williams to hit home runs; it can't hurt to have somebody get on base in front of them. But I've got a soft spot in my heart for Brett, of all people. (P.S. Hey, Travis, why aren't you in there slugging for Ron Santo?) |
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Jun-02-09
 | | Phony Benoni: Other matters:
1) I hadn't looked up Ryne Sandberg's statistics before, and was surprised to see how well he compares to Morgan: better BA (.285 to .271) more home runs (282-268) in nearly 500 fewer games, and close in RBIs (1061-1133). The big difference is steals, where Morgan stole twice as many (689-344), but that's still a good total for Sandberg. However, I wouldn't go so far as to call him a better hiter, but he certainly wasn't worse. 2) By the way, I take Gold Gloves about as seriously as I take fielding percentage. They become a popularity contest after awhile; once a player wins a couple, he's likely to keep on winning until he spends a year on the disabled list or switches positions. 3) I meant to menton above: Traynor, Schmidt, Robinson and Brett all spent their entire careers with one team. Apparently, once a team gets a world class third baseman they try to hold on to them. 4) Alex Rodgriguez may be the best left-side infielder of all time, but I'd find it hard to think of him as either the best SS or best 3B. 5) Right now, my nominee for all-time DH is Jimmie Foxx, though I hate the idea. |
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| Jun-02-09 | | A.G. Argent: Jim B,<NCAA basketball player of the year - two World Series> Any hints? |
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| Jun-02-09 | | YouRang: <5) Right now, my nominee for all-time DH is Jimmie Foxx, though I hate the idea.> DH is a special position. IMO, to qualify for consideration as the all-time DH, a player should satisfy two conditions: 1. Great hitter.
2. Lousy fielder.
Jose Canseco, Bob Horner, and Greg Luzinski come to mind. ;-) |
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Jun-02-09
 | | Phony Benoni: For some reason, <Dick Groat> dribbles through my head. I'm going to check on that. |
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| Jun-02-09 | | Travis Bickle: <Phony Benoni> I plugged for Ron Santo for the Hall of Fame but you guys must have missed it. Anyway Ron Santo on numbers alone deserves the Hall Of Fame
and I think the reason he's been kept out is his hatred for New York, where sportswriters have way too much power! Santo arguably has a right to hate the city who's team performed a Harry Houdini on Ronnie's '69 Cubs. If Brooks Robinson derserves to be in The Hall then so does Ron Santo. Brooke's hit a career .267 to Santo's career
.277. Robinson had 268 homers in 23 seasons, Santo had 342 in 15. Robinson had 1,357 RBI compared to Santo's 1,331. Also Ron Santo was a 9 time All Star, Five Gold Gloves, 25 or more homeruns for 8 straight seasons, in an era dominated by pitching, can anbody say (Bob Gibson, Juan Marichal, Sandy Koufax, Tom Seaver, Steve Carlton). Eight straight seasons in the top 10 in RBI's in The National League including 123 in 1969. he could pick it at 3rd with the best of them and he played with Diabetes. |
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| Jun-02-09 | | Travis Bickle: Jimmie Foxx was the fastest player to reach 300 homeruns. He slowed down after that because he was a heavy drinker. My dad told me he seen Foxx hit the lights at Comiskey Park and that was quite a poke! |
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| Jun-02-09 | | Jim Bartle: Travis: All the conditions you named for the 1900-1920 are true. Except it's also true that most of the greatest pitching feats of history occurred in that period, with the lowest ERAs. It was correctly called the Dead Ball Era. |
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| Jun-03-09 | | playground player: <Jim Bartle> Glad you mentioned Ken Boyer! I never understood why he isn't in the Hall of Fame. For ten years he was the best third baseman in the National League. Eddie Matthews was a bigger slugger, but he never won the MVP and Boyer usually beat him in the All-Star voting. But oh, the middle of that Milwaukee Braves lineup! Matthews, Aaron, Adcock--if that goes wrong, then nothing will be right. Brings back fond memories of Giants vs. Braves... Mike McCormick going up against that lineup with no outs and bases loaded, and getting out of the jam without a run scored. There were a lot of good things about being 10 years old in 1959, and that was one of them. |
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| Jun-03-09 | | Jim Bartle: PP: Did you go to games at Seals Stadium? |
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Jun-03-09
 | | Phony Benoni: Why do players get elected to the Hall of Fame? Often, it's milestones. 500 home runs, 3000 hits, 300 wins, all are pretty reliable admission tickets. That's how Schmidt and Matthews got in. But why did Brooks Robinson get in, while Santo and Ken Boyer did not, despite better batting statistics? Longetivity played a role (20+ years vs. 15 or so), and there does occasionally seem to be an East Coast bias (look at how many questionable former Yankees and New York Giants are in). But I think there's another factor here: <The Defining Moment>, the one spot in their career when a player has all the attention focused on them and creates a memory that lives forever. Robinson had it in the 1970 World Series. Santo and Boyer never had such a moment. Think of Don Larsen, who got Hall of Fame votes for years based on one game! |
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| Jun-03-09 | | hms123: <Phony Benoni> You are right about 1970. Here's a comment about Brooks in that series: <Upon hearing that Brooks Robinson had won the MVP award and a new car from Toyota, Reds' catcher Johnny Bench said, "If we had known he wanted a car that badly, we'd all have chipped in and bought him one."> |
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Jun-03-09
 | | Phony Benoni: Tigers with no hits through six against Josh Beckett. |
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Jun-03-09
 | | Phony Benoni: Oh, darn. I jinxed him. The sacrifices we make for our teams. Not that it's likely to to help much with them down 4-0. It's becoming obvious that the Tigers have the pitching to do well against bad teams, but lack the firepower to compete sucessfully with the elite. I'd just as soon they don't win the division and embarrass themselves in the playoffs. So how's your team doing this year? |
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| Jun-03-09 | | Jim Bartle: 10-0?? I turn on the TV to watch and Boston has already got it won. Bring back Don Mossi! |
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Jun-03-09
 | | Phony Benoni: Yeah, they never scored any runs for Mossi, either.
I had a friend who claimed Mossi was so ugly that you had to store his trading card face down. Let's see: http://eastwindupchronicle.com/wp-c... Hmmm. Maybe it's the ears. Or maybe it's that Kansas City Athletics uniform. Looks like one of Charlie O's early experiments. |
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| Jun-03-09 | | Jim Bartle: Bill James said he was five-tool ugly.
I mention Mossi because he pitched the first Tigers game I ever saw. Mossi lost to Ford 1-0 at Yankee Stadium, September 1961. |
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Jun-03-09
 | | Phony Benoni: That was one of three starts from 1961 which he lost 1-0. No wonder he looked like that. |
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| Jun-03-09 | | A.G. Argent: Pretttttty amazing. When I was a little kid in grade school, the very first bubble gum baseball cards I got were a Dick Sisler and a Don Mossi. Somebody gave 'em to me at recess. True story. |
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| Jun-04-09 | | playground player: <Jim Bartle> Alas, no, I never got to go to Seals Stadium! What we had out here in New Jersey, after the Giants left New York, were regular radio broadcasts of Giants games. Everybody I knew listened to them faithfully (must've been a Giants neighborhood). I remember my fifth grade class always used to start the day with a rehash of yesterday's or last night's Giants game. I remember my teacher shaking her head because the Phillies traded the aptly-named Dave Philley to the Giants in the middle of a series, and the very next night, Philley pinch-hit a homer against his former team. "The poor Phillies... they never do anything right," she sighed. And then, with a grin, "But it worked out fine for the Giants!" The radio broadcasts stopped when the Giants moved to Candlestick Park. That left only the hated Yankees in The Other League. Frank Lary became a much venerated figure in our house, going 6-0 (!) against the legendary 1961 Yanks. Very briefly in 1962 the Giants were back on the radio out here, when they were going down the stretch neck and neck with the Dodgers. I hope this memory is not too painful for <You Rang>. But that truly was the end of regular Giants coverage for us faithful. Only the box scores in the daily newspaper remained, plus the Giants' season series with the Mets. Yes, I would've loved to go to Seals Stadium while Sam Jones was winning 20 games and Willie McCovey was just a rookie, and Orlando's knees were fine, and Willie Mays covered the whole outfield like a tarp... |
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Jun-04-09
 | | Phony Benoni: The wrecking ball is hovering over Tiger Stadium, and it looks like the end is coming any day now. Front page news around here, complete with angry protestors. Not like we have anything else to worry about. |
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| Jun-04-09 | | Jim Bartle: I thought Tiger Stadium was going to be turned into office space, with playing fields on the playing field. PP: Yes, games at Seals Stadium were great, though I was too young really to appreciate it. And though Mays did cover the whole outfield, the outfield wasn't that big. We really saw how much ground he could cover when the team moved to Candlestick. Also learned how a ball he drove to left field could come straight down to an outfielder's glove on the warning track--the wind blew in from left. First game I saw McCovey play, maybe two weeks after he was brought up, in the first inning he hit a drive the pitcher actually ducked away from (so low) that hit the fence on one bounce. |
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| Jun-04-09 | | A.G. Argent: JB, Any thoughts about the Unit's 300th as a Giant? |
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| Jun-04-09 | | Jim Bartle: My first reaction is that if it's his 300th as a Giant, I'd be thrilled! And the Giants would have a few more trophies in the glass case. My second reaction is that it's amazing that a guy who had 7 wins when he turned 27 could possibly win 300. I can only remember Warren Spahn who was so strong from the age 35 to 40. My most lasting impression of Johnson, as it probably is for many, was in the All-Star game where he fired the first pitch over John Kruk's head against the screen. Then he threw him three sliders in the dirt away, and Kruk went back to the bench laughing in relief. I guess the next milestone would be 5000 strikeouts. He needs 150 or so; hard to say if he'll make it. |
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