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| May-02-14 | | technical draw: Wrong Jim. I read it not you. (the part about the protests) Since this is not about the protests lets continue with the make-up of one of the great symphony orchestra. There are a lot of reasons why there are so few black symphonic music. Just like there a few white hip-hop singers. Fewer blacks entering conservatory studies, and few black teachers in public schools talking about Beethoven and Mozart. It seems that now every issue that involves black and whites the racism word appears (along with Jesse Jackson). |
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| May-02-14 | | Jim Bartle: Sorry, not interested, on this page. I just seriously question the Symphony caved to protests and gave a fellowship to a black bassoonist. |
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| May-02-14 | | technical draw: OK, I guess the DSO is not the only one to cave. |
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| May-02-14 | | Jim Bartle: <Not in Detroit, Somebody noticed that there were no blacks in the orchestra. So they yelled racists! and the Detroit symphony folded. They hired a black bassoon player without an audition.> You really should back that up with some evidence. |
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| May-02-14 | | technical draw: OK here it is. I was mistaken it wasn't a bassoonist but a bassist:http://books.google.com.pr/books?id... |
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| May-02-14 | | Jim Bartle: Ok, thanks, you're right. From 1989. We haven't gone hell in the ensuing 25 years. The complaining legislators were out to lunch. An orchestra should be made up of the best musicians, period. If they want a minority outreach program, great, but only the best actually play in the orchestra. (I believe most orchestra members are not from the same city anyway, right?) A great line in your link, paraphrased: "The legislators seemed to want not a blind a udition but a deaf one." Anyway, from an interview with that bassist in 1989. Note that while he did not audition, he was already playing with the orchestra as a sub. <I think I read that you were hired without an audition; is that right?Yes, that's right!
It's pretty unusual, isn't it?
Extremely unusual, and a very interesting confluence of events. The Detroit Symphony Orchestra was on tour in Europe at the time, and I had been subbing with the orchestra for probably about a year at that point, and they asked me to go on that tour, during which two Black State legislators who sat on a committee that appropriated State money to the DSO were willing to withold their votes unless the orchestra addressed hiring another Black player. How many Black players did they have at that time, Rick? Black members? There was one - Joe Strickland.
So that was pretty minimal compared to the population of Detroit and the area! Yes, but people don't realize that you probably can't expect to have 22% of an orchestra being Black. I mean there's just not those numbers reflected in the schools of Music that I attended anyway!> |
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| May-02-14 | | Jim Bartle: Here's the interview: http://africlassical.blogspot.com/2... |
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| May-02-14 | | Jim Bartle: Te di la razon. Solo note que ocurrio hace mas de dos decadas. |
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| May-02-14 | | technical draw: Parece que leíste un mensaje que luego lo quité y me arrepentí pero fue muy tarde ya lo habías leido.
Aveces tengo buena memoria para ciertas cosas y para otras no. Así es el envejecimiento . Saludos. |
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| May-02-14 | | Jim Bartle: No problem! I do think that the best musicians need to be in an orchestra. No more a place for affirmative action than a baseball team. |
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May-02-14
 | | WannaBe: <JB> I just have a quick question, do you think college or universities should have affirm. action as part of admission policy? Just curious, I am not going to debate/argue this issue, just wish to know your opinion. |
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| May-02-14 | | Jim Bartle: It certainly was necessary at one time. Not sure if it's necessary today. |
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| May-03-14 | | Travis Bickle: Hey Phony, I'm at the Blackhawks game @ the United Center... I just bought a brand new Blackhawks Smartphone. Let me know if you receive this message... http://youtu.be/5S_Lh6dm48Q
Could you hear that?
Travis ; P |
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| May-03-14 | | technical draw: <WannaBe>I think affirmative action fell short of its goals. It certainly in not necessary today. Preferential treatment always comes back to bite you no matter the good intentions. |
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May-03-14
 | | Phony Benoni: Travis, please don't do that again. The police are asking me difficult questions about the fake tornado alarm. |
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| May-03-14 | | hangingenprise: hey phony:
for your pal travis:
wait till next year!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7NL...
go redwings |
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May-03-14
 | | Phony Benoni: Knowing nothing about the Kentucky Derby except that it's being run today, I figured I could give an objective opinion and took a look at the field. Nothing inspiring. A couple of holidays, Tony Danza, and a bunch of nags that obviously aren't Feitlebaum. However, I can safely predict a conversation that will take place after the race: "Do you think this horse has a chance to win the Triple Crown, Chauncey?" "I really do, Edgar. After all, Miguel Cabrera's off to a slow start." |
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| May-03-14 | | technical draw: Put your bucks on Intense Holiday, A friend of mine found out from his cousin that it's all set up. |
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May-03-14
 | | WannaBe: Tonight, ATL & SF will wear throw back unis, http://news.sportslogos.net/2014/05... The ol' SF Sea Lions will play the Atlanta Blacker Crackers. Yes, you read that right, Sea Lions. |
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May-03-14
 | | WannaBe: Typo, should be Black Crackers, not Blacker... |
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| May-03-14 | | technical draw: California Chrome wins the Kentucky Derby. I knew it all along. |
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May-03-14
 | | Phony Benoni: Probably could have figured out California Chrome would which if I had just browsed Google. |
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May-03-14
 | | WannaBe: Wish Google would sponsor California Chrome, like UPS did with Big Brown. C.C. is the first horse bred in California to win the Derby since 1962. |
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May-04-14
 | | Phony Benoni: Which reminds of the guy who went to the dentist because his false teeth were disintegrating. The dentist took a close look at his plates and asked, "Do you eat a lot of Hollandaise Sauce?" "My favorite. I use it every chance I get."
"There's your problem. That stuff if murder on false teeth." "But I can't give it up."
"Then you'll have to have special dentures made of chrome." "Are you sure that's necessary?"
"Positive. There's no plates like chrome for the Hollandaise." |
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| May-04-14 | | technical draw: <Phony> Shall I puke now or later? |
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