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| Jan-02-15 | | Jim Bartle: So, if he had waved his hand in the air no State player could have touched him? I would think the announcers would know enough to mention it afterward. They drone on about every other tiny thing. |
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Jan-03-15
 | | Phony Benoni: In a word, yes. As long as a kicked ball is in flight, a member of the receiving team can call for a fair catch. He waives his right to advance the ball, but in return cannot be interfered with while attempting to catch the ball. If the ball hits the ground after a fair catch, then the fair catch is off and the rules of a kicked ball apply. On a kickoff, that means the kicking team is free to recover the ball and gain possession. That is probably why most teams prefer the bounced onside kickoff: harder to control, but the fair catch possibility is eliminated. Yes, it's hard for the kicking team to pull up, but that's how the rule works. Both teams need to be prepared to take the proper action. It's probably easier for the kicking team to prepare, since they know it's coming. The Michigan State head coach loves these gimmicks, and Baylor probably should have been better prepared. But it was still tough to do it under game conditions. |
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Jan-03-15
 | | perfidious: <Jim....the announcers....drone on about every other tiny thing.> Other than, of course, those even they overlook.
Ah, well: even Homer nodded. |
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| Jan-03-15 | | Jim Bartle: Just think of the controversy which would have erupted if the guy had called a fair catch, was clobbered (inevitable), and a penalty was called. It might have been on the level of the "fourth out." |
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| Jan-03-15 | | Jim Bartle: Just stumbled onto this:
<1. Kickoffs/Punts. You probably already know about this one. Kickoffs will be moving to the 35-yard line, and a touchback will give the ball to the offense at the 25 instead of the 20. Receiving teams can also call for a fair catch on onside/squib kicks on the first bounce, and if so the kicking team can not make contact until the ball hits the ground twice. > So why don't receiving teams know this?
http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post... |
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Jan-03-15
 | | perfidious: Gawlee, were those Pirate teams bad in the fifties--if memory serves, they only started to markedly improve after Clemente joined them, somewhere around 1958. |
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| Jan-03-15 | | Jim Bartle: No, no. They also had Dick Groat, Bob Skinner, Smoky Burgess, Bob Friend, Bill Mazeroski, Don Hoak, Roy Face. A lot of good players. It's true they won the Serious when Clemente had his first really big year in 1960. |
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Jan-03-15
 | | Phony Benoni: <JB> If that is the rule and receiving teams don't take advantage of it, that's either poor coaching or poor execution. Or, just perhaps, it's not such an easy thing to do in the heat of battle. If there's a controversy, fine; one team's ignorance or disregard of the rules doesn't excuse them. <perfidious> Clemente actually came up in 1955. The Pirates slowly assembled the pieces during the 1950s. In 1952 they already had Bob Friend and Dick Groat, and Vern Law was in military service. 1958 was the first year they cracked .500. |
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| Jan-03-15 | | Jim Bartle: <Or, just perhaps, it's not such an easy thing to do in the heat of battle.> I think that's the key. It's difficult for a player on the receiving team to make a clear fair catch signal in time for the kicking team to see it and react. Looking around I found this amazingly detailed description of onsides technique: http://www.humankinetics.com/excerp...-. And now there's the behind-the-back kick somebody tried on New Years Day. |
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Jan-03-15
 | | WannaBe: Fans behaving badly:
http://www.tallahassee.com/story/ne... |
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Jan-03-15
 | | WannaBe: Just heard this on ESPN (ECU-FLA game), a teammate can call for a fair-catch. Does anyone know if this is also true in Pro Ball? And have anyone ever seen a non-returner call fair catch? |
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| Jan-03-15 | | Jim Bartle: No. But somehow it reminds of the game this year where the whole receiving team moved over to one side to set up the return, but the kick was on the other side and a guy walked in for a TD. |
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Jan-03-15
 | | WannaBe: The guy who walked in for the TD, was he on the kicking team? You'd think receiving team would have time to sprint to the other side after they realized where the ball was headed. Put that in perspective NFL hash marks are the same as the goal posts, 18 feet 6 inches apart, college is 40 feet apart (wider than goal posts.) |
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| Jan-03-15 | | Jim Bartle: Here it is: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WhY1lQ... The entire receiving team except for one guy went to one side, then that one guy took it and ran it in. Must be incredibly hard to pull off, but if they do it right it's unstoppable, because the cover team runs by looking at the receiving team. They never see the ball. |
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Jan-03-15
 | | WannaBe: Oh, that fake return play, yeah, too bad someone got called for holding. =) |
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Jan-03-15
 | | WannaBe: How about UrbanMeyerVille??
http://espn.go.com/college-football... |
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| Jan-03-15 | | Jim Bartle: New Hall of Famers announced next week: http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/p... Says Unit, Biggio, Pedro and Smoltz should get in.
I'm not saying he should get in, but I'm still surprised Sheffield is down around 10%. His numbers look Hofish. |
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Jan-03-15
 | | WannaBe: I hope those guys don't call me at 2AM, like them Norwegians and them Swedes. |
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Jan-03-15
 | | WannaBe: Now the Balt-Pitt game have started, I thought the O/U line of 47.5 is high, I would have taken the under... (Did not post this earlier, fearing someone would actually bet their dog house and lose... =) |
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| Jan-03-15 | | technical draw: I just saw an old Mission Impossible TV episode with an appearance by none other than Cincinnati Reds great Johnny Bench. He didn't have a speaking part and I didn't notice him until the credits rolled. http://www.hardballtimes.com/tht-li... |
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Jan-03-15
 | | WannaBe: Bad call on Pitt for personal foul at 1:17 mark of first period. |
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Jan-03-15
 | | WannaBe: What a stupid 12 men on the field on a field goal attempt on Baltimore, gave Pittsburgh a first down!!! |
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Jan-03-15
 | | WannaBe: Wow, wow. Final score 30-17, how about that...
Talk about squeaking by, by a whisker, by your chinny chin chin, razor thin margin. So glad I am not a bettin' man. I'd be out of the dog-house 1000X over. |
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| Jan-04-15 | | Jim Bartle: Didn't see much but did see Roethlisberger knocked out, miss a couple of plays, then throw an easy interception on his first play back in the game. |
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Jan-04-15
 | | perfidious: <Jim> A rephrasing might be in order: I well remember, from the exercise created in these pages by <PB>, that in the first half of the 1950s, there was nothing to cheer about if one were a Pirates fan. That '54 team--the only one to feature no future member of Cooperstown for many a year--was a classic example: the two decent starting pitchers, Groat at short, otherwise a mix of retreads with old players who were one foot out the door and youngsters who could not force their way in. |
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