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Jan-05-15
 | | WannaBe: The last time Dallas visited Green Bay for a play-off game, was the (in)famous "Ice Bowl". Trivia: Who were the (2) starting quarterbacks?? |
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Jan-05-15
 | | Phony Benoni: <keypusher> Oh, it's crazy around here. Sports broadcasters are seriously suggesting that the voided penalty call turned around a game that the Lions were dominating the whole way. Let's see. Detroit won the first quarter 14-0. Dallas won the last three quarters 24-6. I hate to think what the score would have been if the Lions hadn't been dominating the action. Then there are the conspiracy theorists who claim the NFL ordered the refs to fix a Dallas win. Even if that were true--and I don't believe it for a second--they picked a stupid way to do it. They just needed to call an offensive holding penalty at some crucial point. There's holding on every play, so nobody would have
noticed.
The fact is that the Lions , for all their talent, remain a flawed team. They can take advantage of a good break, like that roughing-the-kicker penalty they turned into a 99-yard drive. But they still have trouble putting the bad breaks behind them. And they still make too many boneheaded and vicious plays. They're better under Caldwell--for instance, Suh had been good all year until he stomped on Aaron Rodgers--but there is still a long way to go. By the way, I think that was the first bad punt the Lions have gotten this year. Having it in this situation is what makes a Lions fan a Lions fan. |
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| Jan-05-15 | | Jim Bartle: Don Starr and Bart Meredith. |
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| Jan-05-15 | | Jim Bartle: <Then there are the conspiracy theorists who claim the NFL ordered the refs to fix a Dallas win.> If that were true Suh would have remained suspended.
Referees are often affected by the crowds, though. I doubt very much that call would have been reversed had the game been in Detroit. |
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Jan-05-15
| | WannaBe: The worser (non-call) was no flag on Dez Bryant for coming onto the field with no helmet. http://www.businessinsider.com/dez-... |
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Jan-05-15
| | Phony Benoni: I think Mike Pereira hit it right on the head before the game even started. The broadcasters were talking about who wouldn't sleep well before the game, and he said the referee since he would be working, not with his own crew, but with a made-up groups from various officiating crews, none of whom had worked together before. Then, after the play, he mentioned that, In a normal situation, with a crew that usually worked together, there would have been more trust of the original call. |
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Jan-05-15
 | | keypusher: <Phony> It was weird. I was trying to clean the house while watching, so of course I wasn't performing either task very well. After I saw them throw the flag, I figured there would be a bit of delay and went back to my vacuum. When I focused on the game again it was 4th and 1. Gee! I thought. How'd they go through a whole set of downs so quickly? Just to change the subject, an article on where Ryan Lindley ranks on the all-time bad QB playoff performances list (ninth). http://www.footballperspective.com/... The method used "rewards" QBs who had lots of attempts, not many yards, and lots and lots of INTs. Some of these lines have to be seen to be believed. A Detroit QB shows up in the sixth slot. I'll bet he was grateful when the clock ran out on him that day. |
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| Jan-05-15 | | Jim Bartle: <A Detroit QB shows up in the sixth slot. I'll bet he was grateful when the clock ran out on him that day.> If what I've read about Bobby Layne is true, he was probably saying, "Give me one more quarter. I'll get 'em." |
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Jan-05-15
| | keypusher: <Jim Bartle> That's the joke, Jim! His famous quote was he'd never lost a game, but sometimes the clock had run out on him. Anyway, until next year, there's this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAK... |
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| Jan-05-15 | | Jim Bartle: I don't remember thst Layne quote, but I do remember his reputation. |
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| Jan-05-15 | | Deus Ex Alekhina: The Twelfth Man! That's what cost the Lions. Usually, the 12th man is the home crowd. But in this case, the 12th man was wearing a striped shirt. There should have been a second penalty on that play, called on Dez Bryant, when he ran onto the field without his helmet to argue the call. And of course earlier in the year, head of NFL officiating Dean Blandino was seen on a party bus with Cowboy VP Stephen Jones and a few "lovely ladies". |
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Jan-05-15
| | keypusher: Wow, I could spend all day on this. Here is the game in which the Niners unveiled the Shotgun back in 1960. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N40...
Bob St. Clair, 6'9", 265 pounds, was introduced as "the biggest man in pro football." The 49ers offensive line averaged about 250. |
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Jan-05-15
| | WannaBe: Here's Dean on the Part-ay Bus:
http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/08/07/nf... Here's Dean stating the Part-ay Bus had nothing to do with Dallas winning: http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/01/05/de... Here's Dean stating the Cowboys got away with one, but not the Pass Interference flag: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co... |
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Jan-05-15
| | keypusher: Just to save you all some time, that Niners clip I posted doesn't show any offensive plays by the Niners. |
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| Jan-05-15 | | Jim Bartle: 49ers coach Red Hickey introduced the shotgun, but it wasn't mucj like the Landry shotgun. It was all the rage until the Eagles moved Bednarik upmto the line from middle linebacker and shut out the Niners. The shotgun died for the moment, but the Niners had already traded away "too slow" YA Tittle. A couple years later they tried speedy QB Billy Kilmer in a run/pass attack until they realized Brodie was the man. St. Clair and DT Leo Nomellini were SF heroes in those days, very popular. I wonder why halfback Hugh McElhenny didn't start that game. |
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Jan-05-15
| | Phony Benoni: Here's Dez Bryant on the field, helmetless and off the bench, discussing the penalty with the officials: http://www.businessinsider.com/dez-... That should have been a penalty, if not an outright ejection. The official league explanation was that such a penalty "is at the discretion of the officials." If they try exercising that discretion again, it's going to be worse than a fair catch on a kickoff. |
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Jan-05-15
| | keypusher: <Jim Bartle: 49ers coach Red Hickey introduced the shotgun, but it wasn't mucj like the Landry shotgun. It was all the rage until the Eagles moved Bednarik upmto the line from middle linebacker and shut out the Niners.> Seems sort of like the Wildcat. It was shut down by the Bears and big bad Bill George. A book I read as a kid presented that as one of the most important games in the history of the NFL, since it saw off one of the last challenges to the T-formation...no one foreseeing Tom Landry. http://www.pro-football-reference.c... <The shotgun died for the moment, but the Niners had already traded away "too slow" YA Tittle. A couple years later they tried speedy QB Billy Kilmer in a run/pass attack until they realized Brodie was the man.> Incidentally, in those old Lions clips, I noticed Layne run several wishbone-style options. <St. Clair and DT Leo Nomellini were SF heroes in those days, very popular. I wonder why halfback Hugh McElhenny didn't start that game.> Either he was hurt or they were phasing him out. The next year he was with the expansion Vikings. |
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| Jan-06-15 | | Jim Bartle: Right, the Bears, not Philadelphia. Got mixed up. I remember a score if 31-0. McElhenny was the glamor star of those 49ers. I didn't realize it ended in the 50s. Plimpton writes time and again about Layne in "Paper Lion." he clearly wished he was still on the Lions. Instead he was left with Plum and Morrall. |
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| Jan-06-15 | | Jim Bartle: That Colts lineup was loaded: Unitas, Lenny Moore, Parker, Berry. I bet they were embarrassed to run that little "play" in the intro. The other halfback, Alex Hawkins, was a legendary hellraiser, out to have fun. He wrote a hilarious autobiography called "My Story...and I'm Sticking To It." Nobody could get away with his kind of stuff today. |
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Jan-06-15
| | keypusher: Well, I'm not finding any Niner footage running the Shotgun on YouTube. But I did find this, maybe the Lions' greatest day. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtC... |
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| Jan-06-15 | | Jim Bartle: The famous Kezar Stadium turf. An ancient stadium in Golden Gate Park. In the Colts-49ers video, the announcer is Bob Fouts, Dan's father. |
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Jan-06-15
| | WannaBe: With only the championship game left to play, here are the results by conferences: http://www.cleveland.com/datacentra... |
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Jan-06-15
| | WannaBe: Congrats to the 4 new inductees. (Once again, I did not receive a single vote). |
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Jan-06-15
| | WannaBe: Here is an early look at the 2016 ballot, with the hold-overs listed on top, and the 'Rookie' ballotees on the bottom: http://www.baseball-reference.com/a... Alan Trammel's last chance... |
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| Jan-06-15 | | Jim Bartle: And Griffey's first chance. Probably the only one he'll need. I really don't see Smoltz as a first-ballot inductee, if that's considered a bigger honor than getting elected in later years. |
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