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May-15-16
 | | Penguincw: PIT @ CHC
Arrieta has thrown 2 career no-hitters. He's not the only one on the team who has thrown a no-hitter before though. |
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| May-15-16 | | Jim Bartle: Having multiple no-hit pitchers on a staff doesn't necessarily make a strong rotation. When the Giants traded for Vida Blue in 1978, a big deal was made that they now had three no-hit pitchers, Blue along with John Montefusco and Ed Halicki. They went 39-29 that year, but dipped to 22-28 in 1979 and never got much better. |
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May-15-16
| | Penguincw: < Jim Bartle: Having multiple no-hit pitchers on a staff doesn't necessarily make a strong rotation. > I agree. In general, just because a pitcher has a no-no under his belt doesn't means he's good (just look at pitchers like Francisco Liriano; he was like 1-4 on the season before throwing his). Raptors have a ~10 point lead, Jays up 6-3. Could be a good day for me. :) ---
BTW: Earlier this week, I was watching a real life, organized amateur baseball game (well, amateur, but rules like "Infield Fly" apply, so it's amateur skill, but MLB rules). Anyway, there was one team batting, runners on the corners, fewer than 2 outs, a right handed batter at the plate (count irrelevant). The runner on first took off, catcher threw to 2nd, then the runner on 3rd took off. The shortstop intercepted the throw (so runner stealing 1st to 2nd safe) and threw to the plate (the batter remained still in his box). The runner on 3rd clearly beat the throw, but the runner was called out! However, the umpire said that the runner is out on batter interference (the guy who was batting, I knew him, and he admits he hardly knows the basic rules of baseball, let alone interference). The coach argued, but to no avail (no ejections). But then the question is, is it batting interference? The call mattered, as the game ended in a 3-3 tie. I looked it up, and apparently it is, because the batter didn't move out of the batter box. I still call BS, because the throw from the infielder was a perfect one, but way late. Your thoughts? |
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May-15-16
 | | WannaBe: Batters Inteference, it doesn't matter if the throw was late, or wide, or whatever. Batter have to get out of the way. |
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May-15-16
| | WannaBe: Just got a chance to see the "Hight lights" from the Rumble in Arlington. Gonna be a bunch of suspensions and fines handed out by the MLB. |
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| May-15-16 | | Jim Bartle: Yes, there's a bad odor about that. |
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| May-15-16 | | Jim Bartle: With Ortiz getting his 600th double today (#15 all time), I looked up the all-time doubles list. The top of the list is nothing like the home run list: Speaker, Rose, Musial, Cobb. Great players but none with 500 homers. I would never have guessed the most doubles hit by a righthanded batter: Craig Biggio at #5. Yes, #5. |
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May-15-16
| | Penguincw: Obviously I'm going to be biased toward the Jays, but here are my thoughts on the incident in Arlington. Well, Bautista sliding into 2nd base was not the cleanest of slides (similar to Utley's slide last year), but oh come on, Odor starts punching him? Is this baseball or hockey? Looks like Odor wants a suspension. And I saw this on "MLB Memes" (not sure if this is true or not), but apparently, this isn't even the first time Odor has got in a fight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt5...
Still, that punch was probably the biggest hit in Rangers history since Ryan vs. Ventura. However, Bautista might've slid into 2nd base hard as revenge for the HBP earlier. The Rangers plunked Bautista due to the bat flip last year, but I doubt Bautista would've done a bat flip if the Rangers didn't choke in the ALDS. Elsewise in the game, Fielder got hit as well, and Gibbons got ejected earlier for arguing balls and strikes (well, I think he did). And the Jays blew a 5-2 lead, losing 7-6. ---
Oh, and Matt Bush pitched today. Any of you guys remember the 2004 first overall pick? Man, he looks like a good pitcher, as I saw him on Gameday throw a 97 mph curveball (is that like, possible or realistic). |
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| May-15-16 | | Jim Bartle: If I saw correctly, the fight also started when the ball was still in play. The ball was thrown away and I assume still in play in foul territory when everybody charged out toward second. I don't think I've ever seen that before.
I read that it was called a double play because of the slide (it was a slide, past the base but still a slide, Utley just threw a block), but the players couldn't have known that. I don't remember, but was there bad blood during their playoff series last year? It sure escalated quickly. |
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May-15-16
| | Penguincw: < Jim Bartle: If I saw correctly, the fight also started when the ball was still in play. The ball was thrown away and I assume still in play in foul territory when everybody charged out toward second.
I don't think I've ever seen that before. > Me neither, probably because most benches clearing brawl result from a HBP, which declares the ball dead. Not that it matters here, as both runners were out (but like you mention, I don't think Smoak knew he was out 'til perhaps after the incident). < I read that it was called a double play because of the slide (it was a slide, past the base but still a slide, Utley just threw a block), but the players couldn't have known that. > Yep, it was a double play (5-4-3).
< I don't remember, but was there bad blood during their playoff series last year? It sure escalated quickly. > Yes there was, presumably from Bautista's bat flip. If you need a reminder: http://m.mlb.com/news/article/15451... Also in that crazy Game 5, 7th inning was a ball thrown back to the mound by the catcher that hit the bat of the batter, allowing a run to score (was that batter interference), benches clearing twice, fans throwing garbage onto the field (sigh) and 3 errors on 3 consecutive plays. But like I mentioned, the Rangers shouldn't really be mad at Bautista's bat flip, because all they had to do was take care of business by converting a 2-0 ALDS lead. |
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| May-15-16 | | Jim Bartle: I didn't mind the Bautista bat flip. Frankly I just think he was so locked in, so deep in concentration, "in the zone," that he just tossed it aside unconsciously. |
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May-15-16
 | | Phony Benoni: <JB> I suspect that extra step out o the batter's box makes a big difference when legging out a double. Or, for that matter, a triple; the lefty/righty differential is even more pronounced there. Amazing that Biggio ranks so high. At first I wondered why Musial managed to hit one more than Cobb, but probably Cobb got a lot of triples that would have been doubles for most players. (Or singles for David Ortiz.) |
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| May-15-16 | | Jim Bartle: By the same token many balls that might have been doubles for Aaron, Ruth or Mays probably were home runs. In general the top doubles hitters were not the top home run hitters. Aaron is 10th, Bonds i14th, A-Rod 31st, Ruth 56th, Gehrig, Mays, Williams, Griffey in the 40s. |
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May-16-16
| | WannaBe: Philadelphia 76ers have teamed up with StubHub for jersey advertisement: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-b... "Go to StubHub, get that $7 ticket, because no one else want to see us play!!" |
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May-16-16
| | Phony Benoni: Home runs and triples are even rarer, of course. Stan Musial is the only player in the top #30 in both categories. I find it surprising that Lou Gehrig's career triples are so close to Musial (163 to 177). While we don't think of Music as all that fast, Gehrig seems massive and ponderous. Guess that's what happens when you hit the ball a long way in big ball parks. A couple of little questions:
1) Who is the player in the top 50 for career trip0es whose career started after Musial (1941)?. 2) Who is the current active leader in career triples? |
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| May-16-16 | | Jim Bartle: <While we don't think of Music as all that fast, Gehrig seems massive and ponderous. Guess that's what happens when you hit the ball a long way in big ball parks.> How far was it to left center in Gehrig's day? Something like 480. And over 400 to right. That will lead to more triples and fewer homers. I think Musial was actually pretty fast. Not a burner but faster than average. Most triples post Musial: Lou Brock? |
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May-16-16
| | Phony Benoni: Roberto Clemente. Forbes Field had its caverns as well. The all-time single season record (Owen Wilson, 36,1 912) was done there. |
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| May-16-16 | | Jim Bartle: Would not have been my guess. |
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| May-16-16 | | Jim Bartle: Here it is:
Clemente, 103 triples at home, 63 away.
102 home runs at home, 138 on the road.
Almost perfect, 35-50 triples at home probably would have been homers on the road. |
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May-16-16
 | | perfidious: <Jim: Yes, there's a bad odor about that.> One might say that, yes. |
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| May-16-16 | | Jim Bartle: I looked at the Toronto-Texas fight again.
Odor threw the ball away, but neither he nor Bautista even thought about continuing to play baseball. Bautista should have been thinking about going to third, and Odor waiting for a possible throw. Instead they both faced off while the ball was still in play. |
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| May-16-16 | | Jim Bartle: Carlos Beltran: approaching 400 homers, .260 average, .355 on base, 2500 hits, 1500 RBI, good centerfielder. Hall of Fame? I think he's juuuuust a bit out of it.
David Ortiz, on the other hand, is making a strong case this year. |
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May-16-16
| | perfidious: <Jim> Do you remember Bill James' bit in one of his works, on Paul Waner, and how Waner (a left-handed batter) would routinely shoot line drives to left which would either wind up foul balls or doubles? With that massive left field in Forbes, small wonder Waner racked up those doubles totals year after year. |
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| May-16-16 | | Jim Bartle: No, but I saw Waner is in the top 20 for doubles.
Maybe the best player I've seen at taking advantage of the stadium was Wade Boggs in Boston. Slapped balls against the wall again and again. |
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May-17-16
| | WannaBe: And we have the first manager to be fired in baseball, say good-bye to Fredi (ATL). Braves are still stuck on single-digit win. (9) |
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