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Jun-20-16
 | | Penguincw: < Party Animal >
I'm sure his forum was on all this time. It's just that, if no one has kibitzed on a forum on a given day, or the day before that, it disappears from the main list. But if you click "< earlier kibitzing" and go back far enough, I'm sure it's there. ;) |
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Jun-20-16
 | | WannaBe: <David Schoenfield
ESPN Senior Writer
So 10-0 Stephen Steasburg is facing 10-1 Clayton Kershaw tonight at Dodger Stadium. How rare is this matchup of win-loss records? Elias reports it's just the second in MLB history among starters with 10+ wins and one or fewer losses. You surely remember the first one: Joe McGinnity versus Bill Bernhard, both 12-1, on June 22, 1900.> |
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| Jun-20-16 | | Jim Bartle: Yes, that is pretty exceptional. You would think it happened between Giants and Dodgers in the 60s, but for some reason Marichal and Koufax rarely faced off, only three times in five years. Maybe Giant's decision not to risk a Marichal win against Koufax. |
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Jun-20-16
 | | WannaBe: Betting line for tonight's WAS/LAD:
LAD -172 O/U 5.5 |
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Jun-20-16
 | | Phony Benoni: <Party Animal> No need to despair. This was just one of those weekends that I remembered this is actually a chess site. And the Tigers were getting clobbered anyway. |
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Jun-20-16
 | | Phony Benoni: Here's an account of that other game (third column): http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/l... It's safe to say tonight's game will not have this result. |
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Jun-20-16
 | | WannaBe: Ahhhhh, ol' time box score. =) |
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| Jun-20-16 | | Jim Bartle: Hey, where are the pitch counts listed? |
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Jun-21-16
 | | WannaBe: Kershaw wins his 11th, 7IP 6H 1R 1ER 8K 0BB 1.57ERA |
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Jun-21-16
 | | WannaBe: Kershaw (11-1) line so far this season:
15GP 15GS 3CG 3SHO 115.0IP 70H 21R 20ER 6HR 7BB 141Ks 104.9Pitches/Game 0.67WHIP .174BAA 1.57ERA Be funny as heck if he gives up more HRs than BBs for a full season. Anyone know if that's ever, ever been done (Starting pitcher, or otherwise?!) |
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| Jun-21-16 | | Jim Bartle: I immediately headed toward Bert Blyleven. In 1986 he gave up 50 home runs and walked 58 batters, his closest. Of course that isn't so much about walking few as giving up home runs. So I checked Dennis Eckersley, known for not walking anybody with the A's. He did it twice with the A's and twice with the Cardinals. |
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Jun-21-16
 | | Phony Benoni: My impression is that it wouldn't be extremely uncommon. Pitchers with good control are generally around the plate, and the batter can hit it a long way if he makes contact. They survive by giving up solo home runs. A couple of minutes searching came up with Jose Lima (twice0, Bronson Arroyo, and Robin Roberts. There are surely a number of other. |
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| Jun-21-16 | | Jim Bartle: Bill James has a group I think he causes the Tommy John group, pitchers who don't throw hard, have good control, give up relatively many home runs, depend on good defense. Robin Roberts, Catfish Hunter, Ferguson Jenkins, and Charlie Liebrandt are in this group. |
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Jun-21-16
 | | Phony Benoni: Should have known I was channeling Bill James.
Might be interesting to check on a few pitchers from the dead ball era in the 1920s, used to not being punished for grooving the baseball. |
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Jun-21-16
 | | Phony Benoni: Tigers really bombing the ball tonight:
http://m.tigers.mlb.com/det/video/t... With thebases loaded, the first baseman should have let the ball roll a bit more, hoping for a foul. Another thing which I 've been seeing. Whenever a team scores a big run these days, they cut to the dugout for a reaction shot -- and it's invariably of the current pitcher. (Here's he's the guy jumping up and down with his fist in the air.) You seeing that too? |
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| Jun-21-16 | | Jim Bartle: <Might be interesting to check on a few pitchers from the dead ball era in the 1920s, used to not being punished for grooving the baseball.> But there were so few home runs in the '10s and '00s. Mathewson went ten years without giving up ten homers in a year. |
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Jun-21-16
 | | Phony Benoni: That's why I wanted to look at the 1920s, when home runs became more common. But a few random sample showed little promise of being fruitful. |
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Jun-22-16
 | | perfidious: <Jim> The Tommy John family was all lefties, with Roberts, Jenkins and Hunter being another group, since they were all right-handed. The John group tended to give up many hits and runs, but survived because they allowed few homers and had excellent defences behind them. Funny you mention Leibrandt; I saw him win at Fenway in '85 while giving up a HR to Wade Boggs, who dinked it over the Green Monster. |
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Jun-22-16
 | | perfidious: Addendum on the Robin Roberts family: all right-handed pitchers who, as James wrote, just went at people: no cute stuff on 1-0 and 2-1. They just threw it over the plate, so gave up lots of HRs, but walked very few. Some nice careers there. |
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| Jun-22-16 | | Jim Bartle: You may be right. Maybe there's a Tommy John family and a Robin Roberts family. |
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Jun-22-16
 | | perfidious: Edit alert!
Meant hits and walks above--one rather doubts they would have got on very well had they allowed <that> many runs. <Jim> Still another James 'family' was lefty power pitchers: Grove and Koufax (possibly Sam McDowell was included as well) come to mind. Have not read that book in an age. |
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Jun-22-16
 | | WannaBe: StL sweeps 3 game series vs Cubs in ChiTown!!
It's all over, for them Cubbies. Next year. =)) |
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Jun-22-16
 | | Penguincw: Sorry to change topics, but looks like Vegas <is> (not <could be>) getting an NHL team: https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-expand.... Interesting choice. I'm not sure if having a team in Vegas is the best choice (for obvious reasons), but thinking about it twice (and seeing some comments), might not be a bad idea after all. I thought Quebec City might deserve a hockey team, although it has failed there in the past, so maybe not. The Canadian dollar is weak right now, but it should rebound soon, so I don't think the NHL should be quick to scrap the idea. The other argument I see is conference imbalance, so maybe push the Red Wings back out West if need be? But having 31 teams will definitely result in a balanced NHL... While on that topic, what are your guys thoughts on moving baseball back to Montreal? Obviously, as a Blue Jays fan, it might not be great to have a rival team, but it could be good sign for baseball in Canada. Some exhibition games have been held in Montreal, and attendance was about 50,000/game. Compare that to teams like Tampa Bay and Miami, who average about 20,000/game. Maybe move one of those teams up to Montreal. |
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Jun-22-16
 | | WannaBe: I don't know enough about Quebec City to make any comments on that. Baseball back in Montreal, I'm all for it. Funniest story about that is when Expos first had a team, fans were wondering why players had hockey puck in their back pockets. Vegas getting a team, is definitely a new "ground" breaking idea, since gambling and sports have had a very bad reputation, as far as points shaving (basketball) and what nots. (Hello Pete Rose) Unbalanced schedule, yeah, being a math guy meself, 31, is just no right, like when NFL had odd team and every team had a bye, first week or last week. For me, that is not just 'even'. |
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Jun-22-16
 | | WannaBe: More Totally Useless Information Department That I Don't Care About (MTUIDTIDCA) <Doug Padilla
ESPN Staff Writer
Dodgers rookie starter Julio Urias works around a first-inning walk for his fifth consecutive scoreless first inning in six career starts.> |
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