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Jul-08-16
 | | saffuna: When really good/bad trades are talked about this one isn't usually mentioned: St. Louis starter Steve Carlton to Philadelphia for starter Rick Wise. Carlton only won 240 games for the Phils. |
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Jul-08-16
 | | Penguincw: Yay, Jays win 6-0.
Saunders gets elected to the All-Star game, thanks to the support of Canada. The Pirates, D-Backs and Rockies still remain without an All-Star Final vote winner. One thing I found interesting was the alliances. Pedroia received a lot of support from NYC, while Belt received a lot of support from L.A. In other news, Stratsburg has thrown a no-hitter! Sort of. He had a run of 11 1/3 IP, without allowing a hit. He defeats Thor to improve to 12-0 on the season. Random pop quiz: who holds the record for most consecutive innings without allowing a hit, at 25 1/3 IP? |
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Jul-08-16
 | | WannaBe: <saffuna> The only, <ONLY> reason that trade's never mentioned or talked about, is because D. DeShield/Martinez Montreal-LAD trade. Nothing will ever, ever, top that.
<Penguincw> B. Colon while he was suspended for PED. =)) |
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Jul-08-16
 | | saffuna: I remember the Giants' Jim Barr set the record getting 41 consecutive batters out around 1972, but that record is long gone. |
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Jul-08-16
 | | saffuna: <wanna be> But Pedro hadn't proved himself, was just a promising young pitcher. Carlton was an established major leaguer. Sometimes a team with lots of something won't value it highly enough. The Dodgers were always loaded with pitching, so they thought they could get a good second baseman for Pedro. The Giants were kings of that through the 50s and 60s, trading away one good position player/hitter after another. |
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Jul-08-16
 | | WannaBe: <saffuna> Still the #1 worst trade in MLB history. In my book. I don't care what other trades may have had or will happen. =)) |
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Jul-09-16
 | | WannaBe: I missed the first two??!!
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/1... |
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Jul-09-16
 | | saffuna: To finish off the manager question, the two are Dick Williams in 1973-1974 and Dusty Baker in 2002-2003. |
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Jul-09-16
 | | saffuna: Really smart play by the shortstop on that triple play. First he didn't try to catch the ball in the air, though it looks as if he didn't have time. The runner on second apparently thought he had caught it, so went back to second. If he had kept running there would have been a double play, no triple play. Then the shortstop tagged the runner on the base, tagged the base and threw to first for the triple play. If he had tagged the base and then the runner, the runner would have been safe at second because the force was off. |
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Jul-09-16
 | | Penguincw: < saffuna: ... First he didn't try to catch the ball in the air, though it looks as if he didn't have time. > Question: Let's just say there's runners on 1st and 2nd, no one out, I'm the shortstop (unlikely since I throw left-handed, but just pretend). A soft liner is hit to me (chest level). Can I intentionally drop it and then get a 6-5-4 double play or something? Or is there some rule against this? (or maybe I unintentionally drop it) How about if there's a hard liner hit above me that I'm only able to knock it down in front of me? Hard liner I choose to take on a bounce (thus becoming a ground ball, but I could've dived for it)? < Then the shortstop tagged the runner on the base, tagged the base and threw to first for the triple play. If he had tagged the base and then the runner, the runner would have been safe at second because the force was off. > So let's just say I'm a first basemen, runner on 1st, less than 2 outs. Ground ball hit to me, step on first base, then throw to 2nd. Does the shortstop have to just touch the base, or has to tag the runner? |
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Jul-09-16
 | | saffuna: No, an infielder cannot drop a line drive intentionally when there is a force situation and less than two outs. The batter is out, dead . But a fielder can let the ball hit the ground instead of catching it, which may have happened in the play <wannabe> linked to. If in the umpire's judgment the fielder did not drop it intentionally then the play goes on. A famous play in the 1978 World Series started when with Reggie Jackson on first and another runner on second. A line drive was hit at Dodger shortstop Bill Russell, who dropped it. He stepped and second and threw to first. Jackson was hung up near first, and stuck out his hip and let the ball hit him, breaking up the double play and letting the runner on second score. Umps said Russell did not drop the ball and Jackson did not try to let the ball hit him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvW...
Here's a liner dropped intentionally and the batter is called out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7H... |
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Jul-09-16
 | | saffuna: Sorry, the batter is not dead. The ball is dead. |
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Jul-09-16
 | | saffuna: <So let's just say I'm a first basemen, runner on 1st, less than 2 outs. Ground ball hit to me, step on first base, then throw to 2nd. Does the shortstop have to just touch the base, or has to tag the runner?> Once the fielder touches the base the force is off, so the runner has to be tagged, as he could return to first base if he wanted to. In a World Series game, can't remember what year, Mickey Mantle was caught off first base when a hard grounder was hit to first. The first baseman touched first, then Mantle somehow managed to dive back to the base safely. A run scored because Mantle was safe, but had he just gotten hung up between the bases the run would have scored as well. |
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Jul-09-16
 | | WannaBe: <Adam Rubin
ESPN Staff Writer
Noah Syndergaard and Yoenis Cespedes officially are out of the All-Star game due to injuries. Dexter Fowler of the Cubs also is out. Terry Collins has replaced them with Drew Pomeranz, Starling Marte and Jay Bruce.> |
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Jul-09-16
 | | saffuna: Seems like players want to be named to the All-Star Game these days, but don't actually want to play in it. |
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Jul-09-16
 | | Penguincw: Congrats <PB> on the win. Tigers' bullpen gave up the tying run, but the Jays' bullpen gave up the go-ahead and eventually winning run. ---
Thanks for all that fielding clarifications guys.
< saffuna: Seems like players want to be named to the All-Star Game these days, but don't actually want to play in it. > Agreed. However, I believe every All-Star, regardless of playing/injury status, still get to watch the game from the dugout/bullpen. If true, then my question: how big must the dugout be? But of course, if a player does play in the All-Star game, they actually try. Which is great, as it would be ashamed if something like home field advantage were on the line... Regarding that topic, I don't think it should decide home field advantage (HFA) (if it does, then don't have fan voting, each team must have at least one player, etc.; actually deploy the best possible team), but if one compares it to the old method of deciding HFA in the WS (alternating between years), it hasn't actually made much of a difference. So should the team with the better record get HFA? Would that make a difference? Perhaps I should look into that. |
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Jul-09-16
 | | saffuna: Saw the Detroit leftfielder throw out a runner at the plate on an attempted sacrifice fly in today's game. He caught it on the run, the throw was actually pretty high and not that powerful, and the runner appeared to be wearing combat boots. But the throw landed in the catcher's glove about a foot off the ground directly above the plate. You couldn't have walked up and placed it by hand any better. |
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Jul-09-16
 | | WannaBe: This is not how you catch a foul ball:
"I was gonna finish that" video clip. Today's ARZ/SFG game. http://espn.go.com/espn/now?nowId=1... |
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Jul-09-16
 | | Phony Benoni: the Tigers have nabbed several runners at th plate this week. That's not necessarily a good sign. Today's game was a welcome surprise: Boyd has been inconsistent. But tomorrow it's Anibal Sanchez. I was surprised to learn he's only given up 16 home runs in 80 innings this year. It's seemed like a lot more. And Penguin, what did your Jays do to Mark Lowe last year? While he is second on the team with thirteen games finished, that's only because he has become the mop-up guy in hopeless cases. His ERA is over 10, and he'd be long gone if they didn't want to eat that $5.5 million free agent contract? |
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Jul-09-16
 | | saffuna: Peavy catches a ball without looking, fan loses lunch, etc.: http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/217535... |
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Jul-10-16
 | | WannaBe: A pitcher with a record of 7-8 is on the All-Star team. http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/1... Ugh!!! |
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Jul-10-16
 | | Penguincw: Sorry <PB>, but Jays take 3 of 4 from the Tigers, and ultimately the season series. Well, see you all on Tuesday in San Diego for the exhibition game between the Cubs and Red Sox. :P ---
BTW: <saffuna>, what's your favourite/hometown MLB team(s)? |
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Jul-10-16
 | | WannaBe: After 6, som'thin' going on at San Francisco. |
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Jul-10-16
 | | WannaBe: Never mind... |
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Jul-10-16
 | | saffuna: I saw the documentary "Fastball" on Netflix. It's not exactly analytical about pitching and it has a fair amount of ponderous narration such as "A primal struggle...between a man with a stick...and a man with a rock,"... ...but it's still pretty good. Sections on Walter Johnson,
Bob Feller, Bob Gibson, Craig Kimbrel, Nolan Ryan, Steve Dalkowski and Goose Gossage, interviews with all the living ones except Koufax, plus Wade Boggs, Henry Aaron, Anderew McCutchen and a group of Brett, Morgan, Gwynn, Kaline and Bench at the Hall of Fame. It starts with something interesting, Justin Verlander wondering about the power pitchers of the past. So they show the Feller vs. the speeding motorcycle film only with Verlander spliced in beside Feller. At least that's what I think it was. There's also film of the first three innings of Koufax's perfect game, taken by the Dodgers trainer until he ran out of film. Also a fair amount of discussion of the physics of the pitch, such as whether a fastball can rise or not. |
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