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Apr-15-09
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| johnlspouge: < <amadeus> wrote: <johnlspouge>: [snip]
Here you play 47.Qc7+, and we have that same ending again, with 47...Qxc7 48.bxc7 Kxc7 49.Kb5 (and White wins by capturing the pawns on f6 and f7 while the black king stops the a-pawn) > Hi, <amadeus>. You understood the point of my post, which I made on the way out the door. Thanks for finding the human short-cut, which closes out the puzzle for me. < <agb2002> wrote: <johnlspouge: Here is a little extra analysis for the obsessive among us...> Hmm... Do you mean 'obsessive' as a peculiar euphemism for 'Truth seeker'? :-) > Hi, Antonio. You just had to respond, didn't you? (As, apparently, did I.) We both are now at "obsessive-compulsive"... :-) |
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Apr-15-09
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| agb2002: << <amadeus> wrote: <johnlspouge>: [snip] Here you play 47.Qc7+, and we have that same ending again, with 47...Qxc7 48.bxc7 Kxc7 49.Kb5 (and White wins by capturing the pawns on f6 and f7 while the black king stops the a-pawn) >
Hi, <amadeus>. You understood the point of my post, which I made on the way out the door. Thanks for finding the human short-cut, which closes out the puzzle for me. > After 45... Qe7 46.Qf4+ Black can play 46... Ka8. << <agb2002> wrote: <johnlspouge: Here is a little extra analysis for the obsessive among us...> Hmm... Do you mean 'obsessive' as a peculiar euphemism for 'Truth seeker'? :-) >Hi, Antonio. You just had to respond, didn't you? (As, apparently, did I.)> > Sorry, your comments are so (mind-) provoking... <We both are now at "obsessive-compulsive"... :-)> Excellent. We are making real progress... XD |
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Apr-15-09
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| YouRang: What a strange problem. 45.b6 was the first move I looked at and it seemed completely winning. I can exchange queens and even sac my b-pawn to force it, leaving my K to go after black's pawns while the black K must attend to my a-pawn. But I figured it couldn't be that easy. I at all sorts of weird moves that black might try to trick me, and found some, but none were forced (e.g. 45.b6 Qc8 46.Qd6+ Ka8 47.Qc7? Qa6+! draws -- but better is 47.b7+! followed by 48.Qa6 and I exchange Qs and win). I finally looked at the answer to discover that the whole point was to NOT play 45.Qb6+ -- a move I didn't even look at (not because I was clever, but because I accidentally found the better move). |
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Apr-15-09
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| kevin86: A strange puzzle. The solution is 45 b6!!. The text drives white into a stalemate or repititititition trap. 45 b6+ a8!! 46 xc7 stalemate.
or 46 a6 c8+ 47 a5 c7 and we dance the tango... |
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Apr-15-09
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| SpoiltVictorianChild: A rather obvious theme this week, no? |
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Apr-15-09
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| Jimfromprovidence: Here is a good derivative puzzle after 45 b6 Qe5+ 46 Qxe5+ fxe5 47 Kb5 Kb7. White to play and mate in 8. click for larger view
Solution below final diagram...
 click for larger view48 a5! Kb8 (black has 5 legal moves here. I think the solution 48 a5 works for any of these moves). 49 a6 e4 50 Kc6 e3 51 a7+ Ka8 52 Kc7 e2 53 b7+ Kxa7 54 b8Q+ Ka6 55 Qb6#. |
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Apr-15-09
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| Kasputin: <SpoiltVictorianChild: A rather obvious theme this week, no?> I thought about the fact that so far this week the puzzles have all been stalemates and that is why I thought that today's puzzle wasn't going to be one. I have noticed the chessgames folks will sometimes start a week with a theme (though usually not as clear-cut as something like a stalemate theme) and then later in the week the theme gets dropped. That is understandable I guess. So it crossed my mind that stalemate might be in the works here, but then I thought that perhaps the chessgames folks would want people to think about stalemate too much on this puzzle, when in reality there was no stalemate. I don't think I consciously worked that all out but something like that flashed through my mind. And of course I was dead wrong.
It is interesting that sometimes the first thing that pops into one's head is often correct (backed up by good calculation of course). Paul Keres and others have mentioned this. If you see a winning move and you calculate out the win, why bother looking at anything else? Of course, I didn't calculate very well, but it seems I was in good company. On the other hand, I tend not to be one of those kibitzers who proclaims "too easy" so at least I have that going for me :-) <YouRang> thought about b6 straight off, but I didn't think about this at all. The queen move (to me anyway and apparently to several others) suggests itself because queen endgames are particulary scary to me (and probably to others). There are all kinds of tactical tricks that can happen. Even the thought that there are possible tactics that might be sprung at some unsuspecting moment is enough to get me spooked. So the idea of trading queens looks appealing. Plus it reduces material and with the queens off, a two-pawn advantage (connected passed pawns no less)just looks so good! And finally, there is the pin on the white queen and it isn't so easy to think about what that may mean from the initial position. So I didn't really think much about black's ...Ka8 and if I had thought about it for maybe a split second, then perhaps I would have avoided being a sucker. Lessons learned: 1) take a look at all the possible replies to a first move, no matter how impossible they might at first appear. 2) Practice some queen endgames and get over the fear of them. |
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Apr-15-09
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| amadeus: <agb2002>, yes, there is always a last trap -- if I am lucky enough not to step on the first one... 45.b6 Qe7 46.Qf4+ <Ka8> loses to 47.Qf3+ Kb8 48.Qc3, though, as you pointed out. Better late than never:) |
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Apr-15-09
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| YouRang: <Kasputin><Lessons learned: 1) take a look at all the possible replies to a first move, no matter how impossible they might at first appear. 2) Practice some queen endgames and get over the fear of them.> I think the main lesson here is to notice when all of your opponents pieces are immobile (all the black pawns in this case). And if they are, play with a heightened sense of alertness for stalemate traps, especially if the opposing king is close to immobility. I'm not sure it can be made more general than this. |
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| Apr-15-09 |
| Eduardo Leon: 45. b6
Avoiding 45. Qb6?? Ka8, which draws because of 46. Ka6 Qc8+ 47. Ka5 Qc7. The rest is simple: 45. ...Qe5+ 46. Qxe5 fxe5 48.Kb5
Stopping the e pawn. The b pawn survives, because white can play a5 whenever black plays Kb7, and the e pawn still can't promote because white's lost tempo in not approaching it with his king is compensated by black's lost tempo in not advancing it. |
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Apr-15-09
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| GreenFacedPatzer: Yes! I got the game move!
Oh, no, wait...
:) |
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| Apr-15-09 |
| muralman: I looked at the queen interceding, and saw a stalemate. I figured White had the advantage, and a stalemate is not advantageous to victory. So, I pushed the b pawn. That allows play, still to white's advantage. The black queen has to retreat. Staying in defense of the king only allows my queen to slip into the row 8. There is only one square for the black queen to settle, and moving there will allow my pieces to adroitly queen a pawn. At least, that's my take.
I think this was kind tricky for a Tuesday puzzle. |
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Apr-15-09
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| Kasputin: <YouRang> Good point and very well put. I guess my points were more of the "note to self" variety. |
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| Apr-15-09 |
| handle: What about... Qb6+ Ka8 and then Ka6? I don't see a clear draw there... |
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| Apr-15-09 |
| Eduardo Leon: <handle> After
45. Qb6?? Ka8 46. Ka6 Qc8+
The white king can't do anything but retreat to a5.
47. Ka5 Qc7
Returning to the previous position. Black forces the draw either by repetition of moves or by stalemate. |
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Apr-15-09
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| SuperPatzer77: I bet my boots Mikhail Chigorin must have got mad at himself vehemently because of a Qb6+?? blunder. I think he was probably in time pressure but who knew? SuperPatzer77 |
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| Apr-15-09 |
| zoned87: I see I see... patriot do you have email mine is zoned87@hotmail.com. Would be very helpful if you played some games with me. Also I wouldn't have moved my queen there so how would I know black would get a stalemate? |
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| Apr-15-09 |
| WhiteRook48: 45 Qb6+ isn't even a real puzzle! The puzzle should be Black to play, 45...? |
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| Apr-15-09 |
| YoungEd: Hey, everybody! I'm as good as Chigorin today! :) Actually, that's a lie; I would have botched the game 30 moves earlier! |
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Apr-15-09
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| benveniste: With this puzzle, how do you decide that you "got it right?" I saw that g6+ leads to stalemate, so I tried b4. I'm pretty sure that wins, but perhaps not as quickly as b6! |
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| Apr-15-09 |
| TheBish: Chigorin vs Schlechter, 1905 White to play (45.?) "Medium/Easy"
I almost fell for the trap! I was wondering why this was a two star problem and not easier, and then I found the reason: 45. Qb6+?? -- very tempting because it blocks the check with a check, virtually forcing the trade of queens, leading to a simple won ending for White. Except that it isn't forced! Black has the stalemate resource 45...Ka8! and now if 46. Qxc7 it's stalemate, or 46. Ka6 (only other move) 46...Qc8+! 47. Ka5 Qc7! repeats the position. Add this to the fact that at first, I thought that 45. b6 was a blunder! I thought that after 45. b6 Qe5+ draws for Black, because it forces 46. Qxe5 fxe5, creating a passed pawn for Black. I was thinking that White couldn't make progress, since advancing the king too far would allow Black's pawn to queen, but a little analysis shows that White queens first (or mates) in all lines: 45. b6! Qe5+ 46. Qxe5 fxe5 47. Kb5 Kb7 (advancing the e-pawn allows White to simply go after it, while White doesn't go after the e-pawn unless it advances, since Black can always play f7-f6) 48. a5 Kb8 (48...f6 49. a6+ is similar) 49. a6 Ka8 50. Kc6 Kb8 (or 50...e4 51. Kc7 e3 52. b7+ Ka7 51. b8=Q+ Kxa6 52. Qb6#) 51. a7+ Ka8 52. Kc7 e4 53. b7+ Kxa7 54. b8=Q+ Ka6 55. Qb6 mate. So the queen trade after 45...Qe5+ is easy for White. What else? The simple answer is, White wins simply by trading queens at the expense of his b-pawn, advancing the a pawn to a point, then leaving it in favor of gobbling up Black's f-pawns and queening his own f-pawn. For example: 45. b6! Qc8 (or 45...Qc6 46. Qd8+ Kb7 47. Qc7+! or 45...Qb7 46. Qd8+ Qc8 47. Qxc8+) 46. Qd6+ Ka8 (or 46...Kb7 47. Qc7+!) 47. b7+! Qxb7 (or 47...Kxb7 48. Qa6+) 48. Qa6+ Qxa6 49. Kxa6 and wins, as described above. |
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| Apr-15-09 |
| TheBish: I forgot the best defense (after 45. b6), 45...Qe7, but (as it's already been pointed out), White wins after 46. Qf4+, i.e. Ka8 47. Qc7! Qe1+ 48. Kb5 Qe2+ 49. Kc6 Qe4+ 50. Kd7 Qxf5+ (or 50...Qd5+ 51. Kc8! Qxf5+ 52. Kd8 Qd3+ 53. Ke8 is similar) 51. Ke7 Qe4+ 52. Kf8 Qb4+ 53. Kg8 Qg4+ 54. Kh8 and Black is out of checks. Now, White doesn't have to worry about stalemate after 54...Qg8+ (or Qg7+) 55. Kxg8, as Black has a pawn to push! |
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Apr-16-09
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| TheaN: Wednesday 15 April (delayed)
<45.?>
Material: +/ \ w: & 4 b: & 3 * (ENDGAME) *Black has a doubled-pawn. Candidates: Qb6†... Qb6†??, <[b6]> -ML-
I think that the main part of this puzzle is to spot that the proziac seemingly winning 45.Qb6† actually draws on the spot. 45....Ka8!! 46.Ka6 (46.Qxc7 1/2) 46....Qc8† 47.Ka5, and now, 47....Qc7! 1/2 of course. That is a VERY nice stalemate and repetition trap. White should remain on the upperhand, however, with: <45.b6 Qe7> by any means the best reply: Black would want to avoid Qd6† and Qd8†. If he doesn't, for example with 45....Qg3 46.Qd8† Kb6 47.Qc7†, White trades Queens and wins due to the Black King's occupation with the a-pawn. <46.Qc3 > decisive. Black cannot avoid a Queen trade, or mate >_>, and loses. Time to check. |
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Apr-16-09
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| TheaN: 3/3
Hmmrrr. How annoying. OTB, seeing a move like Qe5† would definitely be the case. Why I missed it here is beyond me, but instinctively I noticed that Black could not create anything with the f-pawns as White is ALWAYS in the square (even with a move in reserve). Even so, I should have considered it here. I'm not seeing many Qe7s though, which is still quite a defendable reply compared to Qe5† which loses on the spot. Point for me, because of that. |
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Apr-17-09
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| patzer2: For the Wednesday, April 15, 2009 puzzle solution, 45. b6! is the move White should have played -- instead of falling into the stalemate trap 45. Qb6? Ka8! =. |
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