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| myschkin: . . .
Chigorin became serious about chess uncommonly late in life; his schoolteacher taught him the moves at the age of 16, but he did not take to the game until around 1874, having first finished his studies before commencing a career as a government officer. His first international tournament was Berlin 1881, where he became 3rd=. |
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Sep-11-08
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| nimh: Chigorin is couple of levels above Modern 2100-rated players:
http://www.zone.ee/chessanalysis/su...
It's surprising for me that the forefather of russian chess exhibited such a good level of play, practically equal to Morphy. And what a pathetic level of accuracy by 2100-rated players... but it might be just a bad luck though |
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| Oct-23-08 |
| Ladolcevita: Is this a portrait?No photos in colour??
I think this portait somehow touches me...... |
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Nov-12-08
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| brankat: A 158 years since M.Chigorin's birth!
And yet, so many of his games, and ideas, feel as fresh and new, as if they were played only recently. Two greatest players of the period, Chigorin and Steinitz were contemporaries, although the latter was 14 years older. They played 2 matches for the Champion's title, in 1889 and 1892. Steinitz prevailed both times. They were very much different in how they saw the game, in approach, and style. Here is Fred Reinfeld's comment: "These two geniuses had an unrivaled insight into the nature of chess. Whereas the popularizers think of chess as being amenable to order, logic, exactitude, calculation, foresight and other comparable qualities, Steinitz and Tchigorin agreed on one thing: that chess can be, and often is, as irrational as life itself. It is full of disorder, imperfection, blunders, inexactitudes, fortuitous happenings, and unforeseen consequences. But whereas Steinitz strove with all his might to impose order on the irrational, Tchigorin went to the other extreme. Let us surrender to the irrational, he said in effect. Steinitz tried to banish the unforeseen. Tchigorin took delight in it. Steinitz sought order, system, logic, balance, broad basic postulates; Tchigorin wanted surprise, change, novelty, glitter, the lightning stroke from a clear sky." It may be of interest to some to note that Bobby Fischer held Chigorin in very high regard, and during the preparations for his match with Spassky in 1972, he spent just as much time studying the games of M.Chigorin as he did the work of Spassky. Fischer considered himself a disciple of W.Steinitz, and Spassky a disciple of M.Chigorin. R.I.P. Master Mikhail! |
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| Nov-12-08 |
| FHBradley: I think Yuri Shulman somewhere said that he reached the level of an IM studying the games of Alekhine and Tchigorin. Happy birthday Gospodin Mikhail! |
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Nov-12-08
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| talisman: <brankat> i did not know that about fischer. thanks. happy birtday big guy. |
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Nov-22-08
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| Karpova: I just finished a game collection on the Game Collection: Lodz triple-round match tournament 1906 but I'm not quite sure about Chigorin's games against Salwe (the ones against Flamberg were submitted to chessgames.com and they don't seem to have met in another tournament but maybe someone else knows more about this also): As you know, Chigorin played a match against Salwe preceding that tournament. Most of the Salwe-Chigorin games are missing from the database. I tried http://db.mychess.com/ where more games between them are to be found but it's also not so clear where they are from. So, who knows which games between Chigorin and Salwe are from their match and which are from that tournament? I chose these three games:
Chigorin vs Salwe, 1906
Salwe vs Chigorin, 1906
Chigorin vs Salwe, 1906 |
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| Nov-22-08 |
| sneaky pete: <Karpova> The 3 games you chose are also given, in that order, as played in the tournament by Khalifman and Soloviov (1999 edition of their Chess Stars collection). They have only 9 games of the preceding match, so most likely the other 6 games were not preserved. |
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Nov-22-08
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| Karpova: <sneaky pete> Thank you very much! |
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Dec-02-08
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| Karpova: C.N. 5875 links to a (rather unknown) picture of Chigorin (pointed out by Olimpiu G. Urcan (Singapore)): http://gallica2.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/b... Source: http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/... |
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Dec-02-08
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| brankat: <Karpova> A very nice photograph! Thank You. It is interesting to note the caption at the top of the picture: <N. [i. e. M.] Tchigorin, champion du monde d'�checs : [photographie de presse] / [Agence Rol> "...chess Champion of the World...". By Chigorin's looks I'd say the photo was taken sometime during the 1880s, probably prior to W.Steinitz's 1886 victory over Zuckertort. |
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Dec-02-08
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| whiskeyrebel: What a magnificent beard. |
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Dec-02-08
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| Open Defence: did he have green eyes ? |
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Dec-02-08
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| brankat: <Open Defence> All of Chigorin's photo's are in black/white. What makes You think (wish?) he had green eyes? :-) Actually, the colour was BLUE!
<whiskeyrebel> Yes, the beard looks real cool, but mostly thanks to the light/shade effect inherent in the old black & white photos :-) |
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| Feb-24-09 |
| WhiteRook48: R.I.P. Master Chigorin. |
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| May-08-09 |
| myschkin: . . .
Memories of Chigorin (by Sarah Beth): http://blog.chess.com/batgirl/memor... |
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| May-23-09 |
| GrahamClayton: The high percentage of correspondence v OTB games in Chigorin's database reflects the lack of OTB play in Russia in the latter half of the 19th century. There were no national tournaments organised until 1899, so matches were the only form of serious OTB play available. |
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| Nov-07-09 |
| Tripler: "The Chigorin style of our opponents is the guarantee of our victory!" So Petrosian is supposed to have said before team matches - I don't know if it's an authentic quotation, but he probably never said it while Stalin was alive - given that Chigorin was the "official" national chess hero in contrast to the "Western" Steinitz (who was born in Prague!) Cf. The Soviet School of Chess by Kotov and Yudovich. |
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Nov-12-09
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| ketchuplover: Happy Birthday Mr. Chigorin :) |
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| Nov-12-09 |
| FHBradley: Happy Birthday, Gospodin Mikhail! |
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| Nov-12-09 |
| WhiteRook48: he played Mendeleev once |
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| Nov-12-09 |
| SamAtoms1980: <WhiteRook48: he played Mendeleev once> And Mendeleev won. I'll be sure to upload the game if ever I should come across it. |
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Nov-12-09
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| fred lennox: Chigorin's playing is robust, clear and transparent. Rubinstein praised his games for creating a sound position before attacking. |
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Nov-12-09
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| fred lennox: Against Steinitz chigorin's record is 26 loses, 25 wins and 8 ties. A colorful rivalry. Steinitz showed himself superior in match play. there 1st match 10-1-6 in steinitz favor as the second 10-5-8. Steinitz showed better stamina in nerves and concentration. |
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Nov-16-09
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| vonKrolock: A consultation match between Mikhail Chigorin and Peter Alexandrovich Saburov versus Emmanuel Schiffers and A M Levin was held in Saint Petersburg, November 1895 (Therefore, around one month before the Hastings Congress, which Chigorin and Schiffers would attend.) The scores, researched by Mr. V. Yurchenko, communicated to Mr. E. Winter, and gently published for the first time online - details http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/ number 6373 <"A forgotten consultation match"> |
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