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| Feb-17-06 |
| LluviaSean: This is a great opening. Black is at a disadvantage unless he has read up extensively on the Danish Gambit. |
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| Feb-17-06 |
| LluviaSean: Are there any examples of the Danish Gambit where Black successfully holds on to the 2 pawn lead? In some variations, Black gives up his d-pawn to help him to develop his pieces better. I'd like to see if anyone held on to the two-pawn lead. |
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Feb-17-06
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| tpstar: <LluviaSean> Mieses vs Chigorin, 1902 & Mieses vs Chigorin, 1904 Check it ;>D |
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| Apr-03-06 |
| blingice: Here's a Danish Gambit game I played:
[Event "Yay happy funtime chess"]
[Site "FICS"]
[Date "2006.4.3"]
[Round ""]
[White "blingice"]
[Black "NN"]
[TimeControl "2 12 Blitz"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "oft "]
1.e4 e5 2.d4 exd4 3.c3 dxc3 4.Bc4 cxb2 5.Bxb2 Bb4+ 6.Nc3 Qe7 7.f3 Nf6 8.a3 Ba5 9.Qa4 Nc6 10.O-O-O Bxc3 11.Bxc3 a6 12.Ne2 b5 13.Bxb5 Bb7 14.Bc4 O-O 15.Rhe1 Nh5 16.Nd4 Nxd4 17.Bxd4 Bc6 18.Qa5 d6 19.Qxh5 Ba4 20.Qg4 d5 21.Qxg7# 1-0 12..b5? wasn't very good, and I didn't even see the possibility of a fork. I refuted it well though. 18. Qa5- I saw the pawn threat, but I didn't see the threat on the knight as well. Only after he moved 18..d6 to save his pawn did I see the free knight. I also thought it was interesting for me to queenside castle, as it was the weakened side, but I thought that adding a rook to my central control would attack him still more. Finally, before his final move 20..d5??, the position was this (copied from my post-mortem Chessmaster analysis program): 
click for larger viewAnd Chessmaster suggests 20..g6, but he moves a pawn in front of the wrong bishop! I could tell he saw the mate, because he didn't take the rook, and he tried to block the bishop attack, but he didn't see the correct diagonal, apparently... Well, I attacked in the fashion I have heard that is necessary for this opening, and I have also heard from someone (who I can't remember) that said that a person using the Danish Gambit should intend to win in 20 moves or less. I would likely have lost if I hadn't attacked. I actually found a fantastic example of the Danish Gambit and the attack necessary to accompany it: Marshall vs NN, 1907 Also, when I had Chessmaster analyze this game for me, one of it's "Auto-Annotations" after 3..dxc3 was Chessmaster's comment: <Instead of declining the gambit with d3, this move adheres to the rule: 'To defeat a gambit, you must accept it.'> Has anyone heard of this before? <tpstar> How do you get PGNs from your games on FICS? For this game, I used the "mailoldmoves" command, copied the moves emailed to me onto Notepad, played them on Chessmaster, copied the PGN from the Chessmaster interface to here, and I'd hope that there would be a more effective way to obtain the PGN. |
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Apr-03-06
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| chancho: <blingice:To defeat a gambit, you must accept it.> I could be wrong, but I think it was Louis Paulsen who said this. |
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| Apr-04-06 |
| blingice: Hmm, I'd have no idea, because Chessmaster was the one who repeated it to me. Is there validity to that statement? |
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Apr-04-06
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| chancho: <blingice> I checked the Oxford Chess Companion and the best I could find was that in 1860, Paulsen stated the belief that all gambits can be defended. I guess I'm wrong regarding the quote you mentioned. |
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Apr-04-06
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| ganstaman: To some degree, definitely. I think the idea is to make the gambiteer prove that he has compensation, while you greedily hold out for the endgame (thus hopefully defeating the gambit). Of course, the actual position matters most. From what I've heard, the Benko Gambit gives black (the one gambitting) an advantage. If white declines the gambit, he's the one with the advantage. In this case, the way to defeat the gambit is to decline it. I guess it really has more to do with mentality than actual move advice. Put the onus on the other guy to prove the gambit's soundness. If you are unsure of whether to accept or decline, accept! You're not the one that has to show the gambit can win. Or something like that. Maybe I just like pawns too much. |
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| Apr-04-06 |
| blingice: So then isn't a gambit just an opening that says "show me how agressive you are"? I suppose that's especially so with the Danish Gambit. |
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| Jun-11-06 |
| trumbull0042: I just got clobbered twice in Yahoo against the center game. An opening that isn't to be underestimated. |
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| Jun-20-06 |
| Nikita Smirnov: I feel that the Danish Gambit (1.e4 e5 2.d4 ed 3.c3) is much more forcing than the Göring Gambit (1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 ed 4.c3)
ed= e5xd4. |
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| Feb-25-07 |
| antarney: I would love to play the Scottish Gambit but my opponents sometimes play 2...Nf6. How can i transpose into my beloved Scottish Gambit ?
Any suggestions anyone. |
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Feb-25-07
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| Open Defence: <antarney> One way is by 1e4 e5 2Nf3 Nf6 3Nc3 and now if 3..Nc6 4d4 transposing into the 4 Knights variation of the Scotch Opening... however this is different from the sequence 1e4 e5 2Nf3 Nc6 3d4 exd4 4Bc4 hope this helps.... note in the first line I gave above.. Black can try alternate moves on move 3 like 3..Bb4 for example.. which in fact is a line I often use when White tries an anti Petrov hehehe |
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Mar-19-07
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| gambitfan: I juste enrolled in a "thematic" chess tournament about Center Game at playchess.de : http://www.playchess.de/tournaments... up to now, I am the only one enrolled!
Come along... |
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| Mar-06-09 |
| FiveofSwords: my personal solution to all these danishesque gambit is simply to play like this: 1 e4 e5 2 d4 ed 3 c3 Qe7!. Now you simply wait until either white moves his queenside knight, when you take on c3, or until he plays cd, when you take on e4. 4 Nf3 Qxe4+ 5 Be2 d3 is fine for black. In general I get a position where im up a pawn and really my development is not worse than white's. Its more akward and difficult for white than it would appear to take advantage of the queen on e4 because on Nc3 Bb4 is coming, etc. |
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| Mar-06-09 |
| FiveofSwords: <Antarney> im not sure i follow ou. the typical way to a scotch gambit is with 2 Nf3 not 2 d4. But it bothers you when black plays 2...Nf6 vs 2 d4? I suppose he could also avoid the scotch gambit by playing 2...Qg5 |
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| Mar-07-09 |
| chessman95: <FiveofSwords> After 1.e4 e5 2.d4 exd4 3.c3 Qe7 white can just play 4.Qxd4 and have the advantage. (after 4...Nc6 then 5.Qe3 and white has slight advantage, although deprived of the position he was probably expecting.) |
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Mar-07-09
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| blacksburg: 1.e4 e5 2.d4 exd4 3.c3 d5 is all the theory i know about that line, and it works out pretty well for me as black. |
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| Mar-07-09 |
| chessman95: I usually take the second pawn on c3, but that's it. I have found it too dangerous to take all three pawns and give white an incredible lead in development. However, if black can somehow magically stop the "unstopable" attack, then he will easilly win in the endgame. |
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| Mar-08-09 |
| problem: danish gambit is very dangerous opening for white!
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| Mar-08-09 |
| chessman95: I would say the Danish Gambit is more dangerous for black than it is for white. |
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| Mar-14-09 |
| FiveofSwords: 1e4 e5 2 d4 ed 3 c3 Qe7 4 Qxd4 Nc6 5 Qe3 Nf6, with ..d5 coming, looks like a clear advantage for black to me. |
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Aug-24-09
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| vonKrolock: <"They quickly started playing the <<<Northern Gambit>>>, but then everything got mixed up. The grandmaster stared attentively at the board, making small, insignificant moves. Several times, mating paths for the queen flashed before his eyes like lightning, but he extinguished these flare-ups, slightly lowering his eyelids and submitting his sword to the wearisome note of compassion, sounding inside him like the buzzing of a mosquito."> From an <all-chessical> short-story by V. Aksyonov (1932-2009), translated and online here http://www.sovlit.com/victory/ |
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| Sep-13-09 |
| YoungEd: It's interesting to me to look at Alekhine's use of the Danish Gambit. He seemed to uncork it every now and then throughout his career, though never against real top-level masters. Against lesser lights, Alekhine has a tremendous percentage of miniature wins with the Danish! Sort of surprising that it doesn't see more use today when top masters play lesser opponents. |
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| Sep-14-09 |
| muwatalli: after 1 e4 e5 2 d4 exd4 3nf3 Bb4+ what is white's best continuation? c3 or bd2 and if c3 after dxc3 should white play bxc3 or Nxc3? |
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