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|Jan-23-11|| ||potter641: In the 1893 Danish Gambit game Charousek vs J. Wollner Why didn't white play 17. bxd6 check bxd6 18.qe8 r or Bxe8
19.f7xe8 = queen DOUBLE DISCOVER CHECKMATE!!!|
|Jan-23-11|| ||chancho: <potter641> White could not play 15. Qe8 mate because he was in check and had to play 15. Kh1.|
|Feb-19-11|| ||aktajha: <potter641> and the current mate is prettier than mating with a Queen. Always time for aesthetics in chess :)|
|Jun-06-11|| ||LIFE Master AJ: I recently bought a book ...
its used. (I don't think that it is available as a new book.)
"Great Short Games of the Chess Masters," by Fred Reinfeld. [First printed by Collier Books, copyright (by the author) in 1961.]
This is the second game (Gm. # 2) of that book.
|Sep-22-11|| ||scormus: A lovely game to play over, again and again, so many nice points for helping you along with the good work.|
<LMAJ> you got Fred Reinfeld's book, used? I cannot imagine why anyone would part with that little gem? You were dead lucky there ... just like in some of your games on CG ;)
|Sep-22-11|| ||Shams: When those Reinfeld books hit ebay, the buyers come out like piranhas.|
|Sep-22-11|| ||scormus: <jessicafischerqueen> I look forward to seeing the games. Yes, what is it about the Hungarians that they get ignored? I have some good friends from Hungary, they are great people.|
|Sep-22-11|| ||FSR: <It's a trick. Bitzer Lake. Remember Bitzer Lake!> http://wtharvey.com/lastrd.html|
|Sep-23-11|| ||FSR: <scormus: what is it about the Hungarians that they get ignored? I have some good friends from Hungary, they are great people.>|
Are they Hungary for attention? The tragic ignoring of Hungary that you point out is yet another reason that Chandler vs V Wolf, 1985 ("Hungary Like V. Wolf") should be the GOTD.
|Sep-23-11|| ||rilkefan: <what is it about the Hungarians that they get ignored>|
I wonder if part of it is just the fact that Hungarian isn't an Indo-European tongue and is not something likely to be learned by a non-linguist, so e.g. the (extremely) important mathematicians and physicists from Hungary are known (to me anyway) through other languages.
|Sep-24-11|| ||sevenseaman: Can I use your historical perspective <jessicafischerqueen> and take this as <Charousek>'s best game. It looks a great game to me.|
|Sep-24-11|| ||Shams: <I wonder if part of it is just the fact that Hungarian isn't an Indo-European tongue and is not something likely to be learned by a non-linguist>|
Gore Vidal on Edmund Wilson:
<He was perfect proof of the proposition that the more the mind is used and fed the less apt it is to devour itself. When he died, at seventy-seven, he was busy stuffing his head with irregular Hungarian verbs. Plainly, he had a brain to match his liver.>
Hmm, a quick googling reveals that there are only twelve (!) irregular verbs in Hungarian. That's a bonus.
|Sep-24-11|| ||scormus: <Rilkefan> Yes, interesting that the language that most closely resembles Hungarian in Finnish.|
<FSR ... Bitzer Lake> A story to send a shiver down my spine. I'll leave it as a bonus POTD to figure out what I mean.
|Sep-24-11|| ||FSR: <scormus> Dunno. Did you almost drown in Bitzer Lake in Hernando, Florida? Did Susan Bitzer of Lake, Michigan dump you? That's all I can guess after Googling "Bitzer Lake."|
|Sep-25-11|| ||scormus: <FSR> Nice try but not close ;)|
|Oct-03-11|| ||DeReFormation: Charousek was the Caruso of chess#|
|Jan-12-12|| ||BramSemeijn: Maybe black should play 13....Bxf2+, 14.Kh1 (taking the bishop with the rook loses the rook and the bishop on f4), Nxh2 15. Bxd6+ (15. Bxh2? would fail because of Bg3.), cxd6+ 16.Qxd6, Qe7 |
and then what?
|Jun-21-12|| ||Infohunter: <scormus: <Rilkefan> Yes, interesting that the language that most closely resembles Hungarian in Finnish.>|
As a matter of fact, Finnish is a remote relative of Hungarian, though of course Finnish and its close relative Estonian, along with their distant relative Hungarian, are the only three Uralic languages spoken by peoples having their own respective nation-states nowadays. There are two languages spoken by nomadic tribes in Siberia, which languages can be said to be fairly close relatives of Hungarian: Khanty (formerly known here in the West as Ostyak), with about 12,000 speakers, and Mansi (formerly known here as Vogul), with about 2750 speakers. (Sources for population figures: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khanty... and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mansi_..., respectively.) Both language groups live in a region of Russia known, not surprisingly, as the Khanty-Mansi Region.
|Sep-19-13|| ||Refused: < BramSemeijn: Maybe black should play 13....Bxf2+, 14.Kh1 (taking the bishop with the rook loses the rook and the bishop on f4), Nxh2 15. Bxd6+ (15. Bxh2? would fail because of Bg3.), cxd6+ 16.Qxd6, Qe7
and then what?>
17.Qxe7+ and time to resign.
18.Rxf2 Kf8 (or Nd7)
19.Kxh2 is the simplest continuation. White is a healthy Rook up and Black can basically resign.
|Oct-07-13|| ||UrKungFuNoGood: Very polite fellow to allow such a spectacular mate instead of playing 16...Qxe1.
Although I am inclined to agree that this mate is a more satisfactory conclusion than being beaten around the board with no queen til the inevitable mate. lol|
|Oct-30-13|| ||mistermac: This game is mentioned in Kibitzer's Cafe 30 October,2013 (USA time) for a High School Coaching Session, and is surely a grest lesson in the Old Swashbuckling Style.|
Absolutely fabulous discussion here, as usual wherever JFQ is involved.
She and "Batgirl" are my favorite Chess ladies.
|Jul-15-16|| ||The Kings Domain: Great attacking game by Charousek. The patience and skill he displayed here make these vintage games the foundation of every Chess player's education.|
|Jun-15-17|| ||User not found: Love the game but it's crazy how the top chess players of their time fell into blitz type traps and tactics that even I can see. This is no better than two 1800 rated players, I see what blacks <trying> to do with the 8..Ng5 move but if he'd given it 1 minutes thought he wouldn't have got into that position in the first place. The players of the 50s and 60s (who didn't have the benefit of an engine for analysis and prep either) would obliterate these guys 49/50 in under 25 moves.|
|Jun-15-17|| ||keypusher: <User not found: Love the game but it's crazy how the top chess players of their time fell into blitz type traps and tactics that even I can see. This is no better than two 1800 rated players, I see what blacks <trying> to do with the 8..Ng5 move but if he'd given it 1 minutes thought he wouldn't have got into that position in the first place.> |
I don't know many 1800s who play combinations like the mate in three at the end. Also, this is kind of a quibble, but Black was not a top player, and Charousek was just getting started...unfortunately he didn't live long or we would have heard more of him.
<The players of the 50s and 60s (who didn't have the benefit of an engine for analysis and prep either) would obliterate these guys 49/50 in under 25 moves.>
To the extent this is true (and I don't think it is true of Charousek), it's because players of the 50s and 60s had the benefit of every great player's games between the 1890s and 1950s (including Charousek's) to learn from. Many a great Alekhine or Capablanca combination is but an elaboration of something in a Morphy game.
But I do agree that top level chess advanced a lot between 1893 and the 1950s.
|Oct-17-17|| ||N.O.F. NAJDORF: I believe the creator of the Bitzer Lake classic was actually born Rudolf Charousek and only adopted hîs 'middle name ' after his family moved to Hungary. According to biographical details to be found online, he was born into a Bohemian Jewish family.|
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