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Jun-21-12 | | Infohunter: <scormus: <Rilkefan> Yes, interesting that the language that most closely resembles Hungarian in Finnish.> As a matter of fact, Finnish is a remote relative of Hungarian, though of course Finnish and its close relative Estonian, along with their distant relative Hungarian, are the only three Uralic languages spoken by peoples having their own respective nation-states nowadays. There are two languages spoken by nomadic tribes in Siberia, which languages can be said to be fairly close relatives of Hungarian: Khanty (formerly known here in the West as Ostyak), with about 12,000 speakers, and Mansi (formerly known here as Vogul), with about 2750 speakers. (Sources for population figures: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khanty... and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mansi_..., respectively.) Both language groups live in a region of Russia known, not surprisingly, as the Khanty-Mansi Region. |
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Sep-19-13 | | Refused: < BramSemeijn: Maybe black should play 13....Bxf2+, 14.Kh1 (taking the bishop with the rook loses the rook and the bishop on f4), Nxh2 15. Bxd6+ (15. Bxh2? would fail because of Bg3.), cxd6+ 16.Qxd6, Qe7
and then what?>
17.Qxe7+ and time to resign.
17...Kxe7 e.g.
18.Rxf2 Kf8 (or Nd7)
19.Kxh2 is the simplest continuation. White is a healthy Rook up and Black can basically resign. |
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Oct-07-13 | | UrKungFuNoGood: Very polite fellow to allow such a spectacular mate instead of playing 16...Qxe1.
Although I am inclined to agree that this mate is a more satisfactory conclusion than being beaten around the board with no queen til the inevitable mate. lol |
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Oct-30-13
 | | mistermac: This game is mentioned in Kibitzer's Cafe 30 October,2013 (USA time) for a High School Coaching Session, and is surely a grest lesson in the Old Swashbuckling Style. Absolutely fabulous discussion here, as usual wherever JFQ is involved. She and "Batgirl" are my favorite Chess ladies. |
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Jul-15-16 | | The Kings Domain: Great attacking game by Charousek. The patience and skill he displayed here make these vintage games the foundation of every Chess player's education. |
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Jun-15-17 | | User not found: Love the game but it's crazy how the top chess players of their time fell into blitz type traps and tactics that even I can see. This is no better than two 1800 rated players, I see what blacks <trying> to do with the 8..Ng5 move but if he'd given it 1 minutes thought he wouldn't have got into that position in the first place. The players of the 50s and 60s (who didn't have the benefit of an engine for analysis and prep either) would obliterate these guys 49/50 in under 25 moves. |
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Jun-15-17
 | | keypusher: <User not found: Love the game but it's crazy how the top chess players of their time fell into blitz type traps and tactics that even I can see. This is no better than two 1800 rated players, I see what blacks <trying> to do with the 8..Ng5 move but if he'd given it 1 minutes thought he wouldn't have got into that position in the first place.> I don't know many 1800s who play combinations like the mate in three at the end. Also, this is kind of a quibble, but Black was not a top player, and Charousek was just getting started...unfortunately he didn't live long or we would have heard more of him. <The players of the 50s and 60s (who didn't have the benefit of an engine for analysis and prep either) would obliterate these guys 49/50 in under 25 moves.> To the extent this is true (and I don't think it is true of Charousek), it's because players of the 50s and 60s had the benefit of every great player's games between the 1890s and 1950s (including Charousek's) to learn from. Many a great Alekhine or Capablanca combination is but an elaboration of something in a Morphy game. But I do agree that top level chess advanced a lot between 1893 and the 1950s. |
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Oct-17-17 | | N.O.F. NAJDORF: I believe the creator of the Bitzer Lake classic was actually born Rudolf Charousek and only adopted hîs 'middle name ' after his family moved to Hungary. According to biographical details to be found online, he was born into a Bohemian Jewish family. |
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Feb-08-18
 | | jinkinson: Pretty sure 19. Bxd6# should be the last move here; it seems to have been omitted by mistake. |
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Nov-17-18
 | | OhioChessFan: The story works well enough on its own level. Surely it's better suited for the nonserious chess player, as the quality of the game is far below that of a WCC(as are some of White's ruminations)and it really doesn't make sense that White was trying to make Black play for a draw. Or something. But it does make an admirable and fairly sucessful foray into the mind of a player during a game which is enough to commend it for reading by players and nonplayers alike. |
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Oct-04-19
 | | plang: Wasn't familiar with this game - very nice. |
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Aug-11-20
 | | Sally Simpson: ***
In the T.V. programme 'The Adventurers' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_A... starring Gene Barry, in the episode '”The Case of the Poisoned Pawn“ this game is used in the final scene. The star of the show, Gene Bradley (quite a leap of the imagination there, Gene Barry to Gene Bradley) has to play a chess game v an experienced player. He gets some lesson from his butler and wins. *** |
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Jul-15-23 | | TichFreeman: Honestly, black had a fine game until he played 10� Ng4?, a one-mover which can be so easily parried it’s crazy (10� Ne8 was miles better). Then Wollner blundered again with 11� Qh4??? (yes, I give this move triple question marks), the point of which you couldn�t even pay me money to understand. Wollner should�ve tried playing quietly with 11� Bxe6. The third, and final, blunder, came with 16� Nc6, completely allowing the mate coming off the back of Charousek�s brilliant combination. A lovely game to play over; great GMs like Tal, Bronstein and Korchnoi would be proud to play a game like this as white. |
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Jul-24-24 | | Mayankk: I had a slightly different take on this. Not sure if it works. 17 Bxd6+ Bxd6 18 Qe8+ Rxe8/Bxe8 18 fxe8=Q#.
The key was that 17 fxe8=Q# is a double check and King has nowhere to go. |
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Jul-24-24 | | devere: < Mayankk:> 17 Bxd6+ wins, but the reply 17...Ne7 stops the immediate checkmate |
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Jul-24-24
 | | takebackok: Nice and easy to start, 17. Qe8+ Rxe8 is forced 18. fxe8=Q+ Bxe8, first looked at 19. Bg5+ then saw Bxd6+# Looking good. |
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Jul-24-24 | | Allderdice83: Really nice one here. White forces a capture on e8, then recaptures with the pawn, queening, forcing another capture, and getting the pawn out of the way of the rook on f1. Then White finishes it off with a double check and mate -- oh by the way, the bishop on B3 backs up the pawn and controls g8 once the pawn is gone. That's teamwork. All the White pieces work together -- well, except for that shirking knight on c3 who's just along for the ride! |
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Jul-24-24
 | | Korora: Saw the whole thing. First comes Henny Youngman's joke, then sac the newly promoted passer, then double check and mate. |
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Jul-24-24 | | mel gibson: Nice puzzle - it's a mate in 3. |
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Jul-24-24
 | | scormus: Oh no, Bitzer Lake strikes again :( |
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Jul-24-24 | | TheaN: Oh wow, I saw the doublecheck concept but was set on switching up the moves as per <Mayankk>! Of course it's suboptimal to the text which is a #3, but there's an interesting line to analyze regardless. <17.Bxd6+ Ne7> capturing on d6 leads to 18.Qe8+ with 19.fxe8Q# similar to the text and Qe7 leads to 18.Bxc5 wining the entire house <18.Qxg4!>:
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Thought this was such a beautiful line I just forgot to attempt switching the moves on move 17. This takes out Black's most active piece and the queen sac is justified as we'll see in a bit <18....Bxg4> Qxg4 misplaces the queen unnecessarily, 19.Bxc5 with 20.Nd5 +- decides (if 19....Qxc4 20.Bxe7#). <19.Bxc5>:
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Black's in a semi-permanent paralyze here; aesthetically pleasing considering White sacced the queen for two pieces to get here (though White was already up an exchange)! The only attempt is <19....c6> to prevent Nd5, but <20.g3 Qg5 21.Ne4> leaves Black without much else than <21....Qxc5 22.Nxc5 +-> and White's up a full rook. Alas, 17.Qe8+ is a tad bit faster. |
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Jul-24-24
 | | chrisowen: Grin q ay uv it o Qe8+ it aoe jet id i hit duh it axiom juggle deep Qe8+ duff? |
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Jul-24-24 | | Mayankk: Hi <TheaN> and <devere>, I somehow had a different take on 17 Bxd6+ Ne7 as well. I thought the simple 18 Bg3 Qh5 19 Nd5 should win easily. 19 ... Nxd5 falls to the familiar trick of 20 Qe8+ and otherwise Black keeps on losing more material. Should look more carefully for forcing lines instead of strong lines which may not be fully forced. |
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Jul-24-24
 | | offramp: This is a superb game. It must be one of the 20 greatest games. I first saw this game when I was reading that wonderful book <The Chess Companion>. I have bought that book over and over again, and people have borrowed it over and over and over again. |
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Jul-24-24 | | TheaN: <Mayankk: Hi <TheaN> and <devere>, I somehow had a different take on 17 Bxd6+ Ne7 as well. I thought the simple 18 Bg3 Qh5 19 Nd5 should win easily.> Yeah works fine too. Pretty simple, actually, in hindsight. I initially looked at 18.Qxe7+?!, which <also> works, after 18....Qxe7 19.Rxe7! Bxd6 20.Rxd7 Ne5 21.Rxd6! +- and White comes out with a piece and Pf7 still on the board. Then I spotted 18.Qxg4! and went with it just because it's so pleasing to play. All reasonable move 18s win just because White is ahead anyway, and 17.Bxd6+ Ne7 didn't change that. The only reasonable move I'd really consider suboptimal is the most natural move 18.Bxe7+, as after 18....Qe7, 19.Nd5 is best and White's 'just' up an exchange after 19....Qxe2 20.Rxe2 Bd6 +-. Still won without issue, so yeah. 17.Qe8+! definitely the fastest, 17.Bxd6+ would provoke resignation anyway. |
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