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|May-25-10|| ||Cibator: <jessicafischerqueen>: Thanks for your thanks, but the pun is actually sound after all!!|
Now I've done a bit more research into Hungarian, I find that my initial post on this subject was wrong, and that the OCC - usually very reliable and rigorous - is for once incorrect.
"Ch" turns out to be an archaic spelling, retained only for place names, or surnames (such as Rudo's), and in fact has the same value in Hungarian as it does in English.
As for your question about his first name: as far as I can tell, if you say "treasure" without the initial 't' and final 'r', but rolling the 'r' near the beginning, you won't be too far off it.
|May-25-10|| ||jessicafischerqueen: aha!
very useful thank you.
I'm currently researching a film about the Hungarian Comet so every scrap of information helps.
|May-25-10|| ||TheFocus: To me, this is one of the most beautiful games ever played. It was one of the games that I had my students memorize. They had to be able to explain every move and nuance!|
|May-25-10|| ||jessicafischerqueen: <TheFocus> it is indeed- and I think it's not as well known as it should be.|
More, I think Charousek is not well known as he should be.
His story is familiar to Europeans, but not to many outside of Europe.
I think Hungarian chess falls under the radar.
For example, everyone knows who Geza Maroczy is, but not so many are aware that he was Hungarian.
Also, there's confusion about these issues in 19th century chess because not a lot of people are aware of the unuique history and geography of the old Austro-Hungarian Empire.
With respect to this game- it's so complex and beautiful that some have suspected it wasn't even played, or that the score is incorrect.
But as I posted, Charousek's biographer gives the same score as we have here. He also gives the scores of several other games agaionst Wollner from the same city and year.
In addition, he gives the scores for the first "mini-match" against Maroczy, which I will be posting on this page in the next few days.
|Aug-02-10|| ||sevenseaman: In the jaws of a shark, utterly resourceless!|
|Oct-25-10|| ||BwanaVa: This game is the source of the game in the short story "Last Round".|
|Jan-23-11|| ||potter641: In the 1893 Danish Gambit game Charousek vs J. Wollner Why didn't white play 15.Qe8 MATE ? ! ! !|
|Jan-23-11|| ||potter641: In the 1893 Danish Gambit game Charousek vs J. Wollner Why didn't white play 17. bxd6 check bxd6 18.qe8 r or Bxe8
19.f7xe8 = queen DOUBLE DISCOVER CHECKMATE!!!|
|Jan-23-11|| ||chancho: <potter641> White could not play 15. Qe8 mate because he was in check and had to play 15. Kh1.|
|Feb-19-11|| ||aktajha: <potter641> and the current mate is prettier than mating with a Queen. Always time for aesthetics in chess :)|
|Jun-06-11|| ||LIFE Master AJ: I recently bought a book ...
its used. (I don't think that it is available as a new book.)
"Great Short Games of the Chess Masters," by Fred Reinfeld. [First printed by Collier Books, copyright (by the author) in 1961.]
This is the second game (Gm. # 2) of that book.
|Sep-22-11|| ||scormus: A lovely game to play over, again and again, so many nice points for helping you along with the good work.|
<LMAJ> you got Fred Reinfeld's book, used? I cannot imagine why anyone would part with that little gem? You were dead lucky there ... just like in some of your games on CG ;)
|Sep-22-11|| ||Shams: When those Reinfeld books hit ebay, the buyers come out like piranhas.|
|Sep-22-11|| ||scormus: <jessicafischerqueen> I look forward to seeing the games. Yes, what is it about the Hungarians that they get ignored? I have some good friends from Hungary, they are great people.|
|Sep-22-11|| ||FSR: <It's a trick. Bitzer Lake. Remember Bitzer Lake!> http://wtharvey.com/lastrd.html|
|Sep-23-11|| ||FSR: <scormus: what is it about the Hungarians that they get ignored? I have some good friends from Hungary, they are great people.>|
Are they Hungary for attention? The tragic ignoring of Hungary that you point out is yet another reason that Chandler vs V Wolf, 1985 ("Hungary Like V. Wolf") should be the GOTD.
|Sep-23-11|| ||rilkefan: <what is it about the Hungarians that they get ignored>|
I wonder if part of it is just the fact that Hungarian isn't an Indo-European tongue and is not something likely to be learned by a non-linguist, so e.g. the (extremely) important mathematicians and physicists from Hungary are known (to me anyway) through other languages.
|Sep-24-11|| ||sevenseaman: Can I use your historical perspective <jessicafischerqueen> and take this as <Charousek>'s best game. It looks a great game to me.|
|Sep-24-11|| ||Shams: <I wonder if part of it is just the fact that Hungarian isn't an Indo-European tongue and is not something likely to be learned by a non-linguist>|
Gore Vidal on Edmund Wilson:
<He was perfect proof of the proposition that the more the mind is used and fed the less apt it is to devour itself. When he died, at seventy-seven, he was busy stuffing his head with irregular Hungarian verbs. Plainly, he had a brain to match his liver.>
Hmm, a quick googling reveals that there are only twelve (!) irregular verbs in Hungarian. That's a bonus.
|Sep-24-11|| ||scormus: <Rilkefan> Yes, interesting that the language that most closely resembles Hungarian in Finnish.|
<FSR ... Bitzer Lake> A story to send a shiver down my spine. I'll leave it as a bonus POTD to figure out what I mean.
|Sep-24-11|| ||FSR: <scormus> Dunno. Did you almost drown in Bitzer Lake in Hernando, Florida? Did Susan Bitzer of Lake, Michigan dump you? That's all I can guess after Googling "Bitzer Lake."|
|Sep-25-11|| ||scormus: <FSR> Nice try but not close ;)|
|Oct-03-11|| ||DeReFormation: Charousek was the Caruso of chess#|
|Jan-12-12|| ||BramSemeijn: Maybe black should play 13....Bxf2+, 14.Kh1 (taking the bishop with the rook loses the rook and the bishop on f4), Nxh2 15. Bxd6+ (15. Bxh2? would fail because of Bg3.), cxd6+ 16.Qxd6, Qe7 |
and then what?
|Jun-21-12|| ||Infohunter: <scormus: <Rilkefan> Yes, interesting that the language that most closely resembles Hungarian in Finnish.>|
As a matter of fact, Finnish is a remote relative of Hungarian, though of course Finnish and its close relative Estonian, along with their distant relative Hungarian, are the only three Uralic languages spoken by peoples having their own respective nation-states nowadays. There are two languages spoken by nomadic tribes in Siberia, which languages can be said to be fairly close relatives of Hungarian: Khanty (formerly known here in the West as Ostyak), with about 12,000 speakers, and Mansi (formerly known here as Vogul), with about 2750 speakers. (Sources for population figures: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khanty... and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mansi_..., respectively.) Both language groups live in a region of Russia known, not surprisingly, as the Khanty-Mansi Region.
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