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|Feb-26-08|| ||jackpawn: <zb2cr> Thank you for your well thought out comment, a rarity on these boards.|
|Feb-26-08|| ||znprdx: UM-does all this historical/polititical garbage belong here? Get a clue: this is a CHESS site....|
|Feb-26-08|| ||znprdx: <whiteshark:> Great Lasker quote. today's position is another classic example of blundering into a won game. Interesting that these type of one movers prevail still today - even at the highest levels of Chess.(Check out current Morelia Round 7 games # )
I was disappointed that I couldn't force a more challenging conclusion based upon the idea of a beautiful potential problem composition which arises after: 29.Qg5 Qx[R]c5 30.Qx[R]d8+ >iff< Kg7 31. Qd7+ >iff< Kf8 32. Qd6+ Qx[Q]d6 33. e5x[Q]d6 >iff< Ke8 34.Bc6 |
Now the idea is for White to create a zugswang by securing d4 with the King
with the option promoting either on the Kingside with Kc6 (or working on the Queenside with Ke5>f6)
Although this is only a flight of fancy - so near but of course too far - 34.Bc6 Bc8 35.Kf2 Bd7 (the spoiler) 36.Bb5 Bx[B]b5 37.a4x[B]b5 38.Kd7 Ke3 39.Kd4 ...if only it were this position with White to move...
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Please excuse this self-indulgence - it is a by-product of trying to develop my longer range vision. But consider how agonizing it can be for a player to conceive of such a plan and come up short by only a tempo – so much of Chess strategy is of course predicated upon the <iff> ( IF and ONLY ‘if’) condition
|Feb-27-08|| ||tjshann: I feel some responsibility for starting this debate by calling Alekhine a sociopath. While I clearly included in my assessment his anti-Semitism, there was a lot more that prompted that observation.|
|Feb-27-08|| ||keypusher: What MichAdams said. Also, the Nazis, unlike the Soviets, didn't give a damn about chess. The notion that they would have forced Alekhine to write articles on Jews in chess strikes me as extremely unlikely. Alekhine probably didn't claim that because he knew no one in 1945-46 would believe it. |
As for the fact that Alekhine got along with individual Jews, so what? Has Fischer been forgotten so soon? He got along with (some) Jews, as well as he got along with anyone.
The fact that Alekhine was probably mildly anti-Semitic his whole life doesn't bother me at all; the fact that he wrote those articles bothers me a great deal.
|Feb-27-08|| ||keypusher: <akavall><everyone knew he was anti-Semitic before the war, but nobody cared then>|
<If indeed Alekhine was anti-Semitic, doesn't it seem strange that nobody cared? >
The past, they say, is another country. You should pay it a visit sometime. :-)
|Feb-27-08|| ||Terry McCracken: < zb2cr: <Terry McCracken>, |
I think <tjshann>'s point is that Alekhine, as a man, had a number of fairly revolting personal characteristics. These included, by his own admission, following the instructions of the Nazis by publishing a number of crudely anti-Semitic articles during the Second World War. The investigation was ongoing when he drank himself to death.
None of which affects the dazzling quality of his chess games.>
I know why, but I felt it was crass to make the remark, both against Alekhine and Fischer who past away last month.
If anyone wants to discuss his and Fischer's anti-Semitism this is the wrong thread for it.
The game is what is important and your last sentence says it all!
|Feb-27-08|| ||just a kid: 29.Rc8 was easy!|
|Feb-27-08|| ||patzer2: For the Tuesday Feb 26, 2008 puzzle solution, Alekhine's 29. Rc8! powerfully combines the clearance, discovered attack and double attack tactical themes to immediately force Flohr's resignation.|
|Feb-28-08|| ||kevin86: Desperado!! White wins whether black takes the rook of not!|
|Mar-01-08|| ||OhioChessFan: <Ok, once again we hear it suggested that he had to write anti-Jewish articles because the Nazis told him to. Why didn't Alekhine himself ever say that? If that had actually been true you'd think he would. Instead, he switched between saying he didn't write them at all, to saying he did but that the anti-Jewish content had been added by the Nazis, to saying proudly and certainly without regret that he <did> write them (along with other anti-Semitic statements - >|
But anyway, people <being pressured to make anti-Semitic statemnts> being inconsistent in their <anti-Semitic statements> is rather the norm than the exception.
|Mar-07-08|| ||D.Observer: Is black really hopeless at this point?|
|Jun-16-08|| ||ToTheDeath: <Is black really hopeless at this point?>|
Well he's been dead since 1983, so I would think so.
|Jun-16-08|| ||Calli: <Well he's been dead since 1983, so I would think so.>|
It, therefore, follows that White is even more hopeless. :-]
|Sep-30-08|| ||tommy boy: 28.e5!! what a move!|
|Oct-18-09|| ||jmboutiere: Alekhine is like an idol for me. As I was young ( '60 - '70 )I studied his games... difficult task. Rybka 3 has sometimes an almost "mission impossible" to anticipate Alekhine 's moves.
His antisemitism is probably contextual. But... I have french parents and I do not like at all french ethnocentrism.|
|Apr-11-10|| ||Shaileshskamath: Wow, I first wondered why the guy played e5 and not Rc8 right away. Well, without e5, Black has Qd6 to fall back on, which protects everything. Awesome combination!|
|Nov-24-11|| ||SoundWave: Black didn't lose because of Rc8 but because all his queenside squares were weak (b3, c4 and c5).|
|Nov-24-11|| ||King Death: < SoundWave: Black didn't lose because of Rc8 but because all his queenside squares were weak (b3, c4 and c5).> |
This is some of what Alekhine had to say about the position after 11...b4:
"After this, a number of squares in this sector will remain insufficiently protected and what is more, Black will remain without any hope of a counter attack as White's position is practically without weaknesses. A quite different situation would have been produced by the right answer: 11...dc!, which would give Black as compensation for the weak a pawn, a counter attack against White's b pawn."
|Nov-24-11|| ||SoundWave: <King Death:> Interesting comment by Alekhine...surely you mean 11...bxa4?|
|Nov-24-11|| ||King Death: <SoundWave> Yes.|
|Apr-22-12|| ||MarkFinan: How did black not see 29.Rc8 coming???
Brilliant tactical shots at the end from Alekhine, but even i saw this coming a mile off!!
|Apr-23-12|| ||HeMateMe: Salo Flohr was one of the great players of the '30s but he couldn't make a dent in Alekhine.|
|Jul-17-13|| ||Sokrates: <zb2cr> Interesting read and good points in the neverending debate about the Jewish articles. There is a rationale in what you write, but I think we cannot ignore the fact that among his peers - players who had known him for decades, there was no doubt that A. had written those articles or at at least sympathised with their substance.|
As much as we have to admire the chess player and his game annotations, Alekhine's character left no admirable examples. He will be blamed eternally for not granting his mightiest opponent, Capablanca, the chance of a re-match. And there are lots of examples of bad behavior during play, especially when he was in trouble.
Nevertheless, it would be highly interesting, if someone set out to tell the story about Alekhine without any bias, both the champion and the man. Recently, in New in Chess, we could read about his student years. But there should be a lot to harvest on the fields of his life.
|May-30-16|| ||Retireborn: Alekhine's recommendation of 11...bxa4 is a clear improvement, but Flohr wasn't convinced as he repeated the whole line he following year;|
Euwe vs Flohr, 1932
I think he did get closer to equality in that game, but he still managed to lose.
A few years later he defected to the White side and won quite nicely;
Flohr vs I A Horowitz, 1945
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