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|Dec-07-13|| ||Gypsy: <Everett: ... Botvinnik-Flohr Match (1933) is a strange omission from his bio. > |
|Aug-05-14|| ||Conrad93: Can someone put a picture up?
Wikipedia already has a good photo of him:
|Nov-21-14|| ||grasser: Well with the WC going on, good luck getting any Birthday wishes Salomon Flohr. Oh how soon we forget. One day Carlsen and Anand will be a distant memory too.|
|Nov-21-14|| ||OhioChessFan: I have it on good authority he doesn't much care about the missing birthday wishes, and likewise doesn't need any more RIP wishes.|
|Nov-21-14|| ||ketchuplover: May he RIP forever|
|Nov-21-14|| ||Petrosianic: How will you know whether he does or not?|
|Nov-26-14|| ||Yopo: For practical players,
art is just a
exception to the canon rules.
But you can not get away from the art .
just as one can not escape the second teeth.
Until Flohr could not to escape.
Flohr vs Rellstab, 1931
|May-03-15|| ||TheFocus: <Chess, like love, is infectious at any age> - Salo Flohr.|
|Aug-23-16|| ||offramp: In <The Reliable Past>, p162, Sosonko says:|
"Salo knew Czech quite well, but when he spoke in it it was immediately apparent that it was not his native language, and so more frequently [he and Vera Meisnerova] spoke in German, Flohr's strongest language."
|Nov-21-16|| ||TheFocus: Happy birthday, Salo Flohr!!|
|Feb-23-17|| ||The Kings Domain: Solid positional player in the style of Capablanca. One wonders how he would have fared had the championship match against Alekhine pushed through.|
|May-31-17|| ||nummerzwei: <A shortage of creative energy has always inhibited Flohr from crowning his career.>|
|Oct-28-17|| ||zanzibar: No photograph of Flohr?!
Shame, <CG>, shame.
|Jan-09-18|| ||WorstPlayerEver: Interesting read:
|Dec-20-18|| ||Caissanist: From what I can tell, Flohr is rather overrated. His reputation is based largely on his results in the early to mid thirties, and seems to spring largely from the fact that there were no great players born between 1892 and 1911, uness you count Euwe, who did not hit his stride until 1934. Once the new generation of players only a few years younger than he emerged, Flohr was not a top player anymore. He never finished ahead of Euwe or Fine or Keres in a tournament, and only rarely came in ahead of Botvinnik or Reshevsky or Alekhine. |
Given what Alekhine did to Euwe in 1937, one would have to think that he would have done the same to Flohr. Even though he was only 28 then, his best days were clearly behind him.
|Dec-20-18|| ||Dionysius1: May I ask here, what's with the "RIP" and "Happy Birthday" for people who died long ago? Is it an American thing to be so solicitous? Or (I hope I'm not too cynical) is it a way for Kibitzers to increase the number of their posts without actually contributing anything? |
If it's the first, I can't understand it, but maybe people think they are being kind. It just seems sanctimonious to me!
If it's the latter it seems particularly meaningless, because no-one's going to think highly of a kibitzer purely for his high numbers, are they?
All told, it's just annoying, empty and maybe even disrespectful.
|Dec-20-18|| ||OhioChessFan: <Dion: Or (I hope I'm not too cynical) is it a way for Kibitzers to increase the number of their posts without actually contributing anything? >|
<All told, it's just annoying, empty and maybe even disrespectful.>
|Dec-20-18|| ||Caissanist: People come here to hang out. Sometimes those folks don't really have much to say, so they wind up saying stuff like that, it doesn't bother me. Certainly it's better than the people who don't have anything to say so they come here and troll, which I find much more annoying.|
|Dec-20-18|| ||Dionysius1: Fair enough <Caisanist>. I hadn't thought of it like that. People maybe keeping their end up in a social environment. Doesn't seem bad that way -)|
|Dec-20-18|| ||zanzibar: I approve of the jolly photo <CG> finally posted - gg.|
|Dec-20-18|| ||HeMateMe: I remember reading reminiscences of players from Flor's era. Some said, at his peak in the '30s, Flohr was more feared than Alekhine, Capa or any other player at that time. One player said "We called him Napoleon."|
I like that.
|Dec-20-18|| ||Count Wedgemore: Yes, Salomon used to wipe the Flohr with his opponents in the 30s. But afterwards, his play deteriorated to the point where he became a really weak player, a "fish". So they started to call him Salmon Flohr.|
|Dec-20-18|| ||zanzibar: As far as <Caissanist>'s claim that Flohr was overrated, well, it's a debatable claim - although it's clear his reign at the (very) top was fairly brief:|
Of course Alekhine was such a dominate player (when he was dominant) that it's hard to put player up against him (though Euwe did represent himself pretty well now and again(!)).
Still, while <Caissanist> mentions Flohr tournament failings - there is the obvious omission of a major victory or two - i.e. <Hastings (1935)>, when he bested Alekhine:
<Hastings 1933-34 – clear first ahead of Alekhine (!!) and others. This was the first time Alekhine failed to come in first since he won the World Championship title.>
And this when Alekhine was near his peak, a few years before Flohr was at his. (See also Podebrady (1936))
Let's play devil advocate, and also quote this:
<When one considers that Flohr had drawn matches with two of Alekhine’s main rivals (Euwe and Botvinnik), and come ahead of both Alekhine and Capablanca in tournaments, the mystery appears to be even stranger.>
There are several major tournaments where he placed just as well as Euwe. And I don't think it exactly fair to compare him to Keres, as those two mostly met after the German business in Czechoslovakia had weighed into his psyche.
But, to correct a point-of-fact, Flohr did best Keres in at least one tournament:
and tied him in this one:
|Dec-21-18|| ||Caissanist: <zanzibar>--thanks for the link to the excellent Silman article, and for pointing out the Kemeri tournament (Flohr also came ahead of Fine there). I don't think it's any great mystery what happened though. Flohr's drawn matches against Botvinnik and Euwe came before either of those players reached their prime, and he never defeated either one again. Players like Botvinnik and Euwe don't seem to have had Flohr's natural gift for chess, but they approached the game systematically and rigorously, always looking for improvements and learning from their defeats. So it makes sense that Flohr was able to hold his own against them when he was in his twenties, but was unable to continuously improve after that point the way that most other leading GMs of the day did.|
|Dec-22-18|| ||chesshistoryinterest: Flohr also came ahead of Keres at Leningrad-Moscow 1939 and the 1948 USSR Championship.|
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