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|Mar-29-16|| ||chancho: <The style of the Grandmaster Fine is best described as technically very good, but for the rest, relatively neutral. |
The truth is that he handled all sorts of positions well, without showing definite preference for any.
His style was polished, his games streamlined.
After the war Fine virtually withdrew from competitive Chess.>
From his book: The Middlegame book 2.
|Mar-29-16|| ||chancho: <Euwe is a methodical player who is not at his best in wild and woolly positions, and here, too, he did not pick the most resourceful line."|
Euwe vs Fine, 1938 (kibitz #2)
|Mar-29-16|| ||Petrosianic: Fine got lost in several such positions. In addition to that one, the loss to Denker, and the draw with Reshevsky that cost him the 1940 US Championship leap to mind.|
|Mar-29-16|| ||perfidious: <chancho> Had forgotten Euwe's assessment; have not seen my copy of that in a good many years.|
Good overview by Euwe, though: the impression I had was that Fine was a superb technician, but I did not glean any clearcut preferences, unlike about any other top player of the time.
|Mar-29-16|| ||RookFile: At his best, Fine was terrific in the opening. Reshevsky was not, but there was something in Reshevsky's nature that made him more of a fighter than Fine. There were definitely some Fine vs. Reshevsky struggles where Fine had Reshevsky on the ropes, but Reshevsky would escape.|
|Mar-29-16|| ||luftforlife: On May 29, 2005, Canadian tournament player Neil Sullivan (described by Keith Spraggett in 2012 as "considered a respected and authoritative voice in the Montreal chess community") posted online at <chessbanter> the PGN header and moves for Reuben Fine's March 9, 1937 second-round victory over Ilya Kan at the Moscow International. Fine won this tournament, and while his other tournament victories are hosted here, this win has not yet been uploaded.|
Here's a tournament crosstable from Rusbase:
I've gleaned from the <chessbanter> discussion thread that Sullivan may have derived the score from Aidan Woodger's Reuben Fine: A Comprehensive Record of an American Chess Career, 1929-1951 (Jefferson, N.C.: McFarland & Co. 2004). I do not have this volume, but perhaps another member does, and might be so kind as to verify the score.
Here is the score as Sullivan posted it:
[White "Kan, I."]
[Black "Fine, R."]
1. Nf3 d5 2. g3 c5 3. Bg2 Nc6 4. d4 Bf5 5. O-O e6 6. c3 Nf6 7. Nbd2 h6 8. a3 a5 9. Qb3 Qc7 10. dxc5 Bxc5 11. Qb5 Ba7 12. c4 Rd8 13. c5 e5 14. b4 Bd7 15. bxa5 e4 16. Ne1 Nxa5 17. Qb1 Bxc5 18. Nb3 Nxb3 19. Qxb3 Bc6 20. Nc2 O-O 21. Bb2 d4 22. Nb4 Bb5 23. Rfe1 Qb6 24. Bf1 d3 25. e3 Rfe8 26. Rab1 Qe6 27. Qxe6 Rxe6 28. Bxf6 Rxf6 29. Nd5 Rxd5 30. Rxb5 Bxe3 31. Rxd5 Bxf2+ 32. Kg2 Bxe1 33. Rd4 Rf2+ 34. Kg1 d2 0-1.
Here is the link to the <chessbanter> thread:
NICBase has this game from Schaakwereld 1937 with the identical score (though the figurine minimal algebraic notation reproduced there is not disambiguated).
I enjoyed playing through this game, and I hope others do, too. Best to all.
|Mar-29-16|| ||luftforlife: GM Dr. Reuben Fine briefly analyzes his pawn-capture tactics and eventual victory in Kan-Fine Moscow 1937 in his The Middle Game in Chess (New York: David McKay Co. 1952, Tartan softcover reprint, September 1972), at 120.|
|Mar-29-16|| ||chancho: <luftforlife> I have the book.|
It has a price of $2.95. on the cover.
Too bad they are not that cheap today.
|Mar-29-16|| ||luftforlife: <chancho>: Good to hear from you. The Middle Game in Chess I have (I usually buy hardcover, but this was mint and inexpensive), and I find it rewarding and informative. Aidan Woodger's volume has been favorably reviewed, and I look forward to buying a copy at some point. Kind regards.|
|Mar-30-16|| ||Granny O Doul: Speaking of post-chess career blitz games, Fine also played two vs. Kasparov at the Manhattan Chess Club in '88, I guess. Was about the time of that clock simul GK gave vs. six top juniors at the Russian Tea Room. Fine was rather overmatched, but no one else that night scored any better, except for Dlugy who managed one draw out of four games. This was some time after Max had taken Garry to the limit at the World Blitz up in Canada.|
|Mar-30-16|| ||Gejewe: <luftforlife>
I have verified the score of I.Kan-R.Fine with the one in Woodger's "Reuben Fine" from 2004, page 145, game 355 and it matches. Just as playing- date and round. Woodger also provides the full tournament table on page 144.
The notes to game 260, Alatortsev-Fine where 4..Nf6 was played give : "In the game with Kan I played 4..Bf5 but after 5.0-0 e6 White can reach an attacking position with good prospects by 6.c4!."
So in retrospect Fine was not happy about his earlier choice.
|Mar-30-16|| ||luftforlife: <Gejewe>: Thank you very much! Kind regards to you.|
For those who might be interested, and who do not have Aidan Woodger's volume, the scores from the Moscow International of Reuben Fine's draws in the fifth round against Vasily Panov on March 13, 1937 and in the seventh round against Vladimir Alatortsev on March 16, 1937 may be found in the same May 29, 2005 <chessbanter> post by Neil Sullivan that I linked above.
|Aug-26-16|| ||Herald Tutt: It is truly regretful that Reuben Fine turned out a racist as clearly shown in his unjustified harsh comments against a great World Champion like Tigran Petrosian. Shame on Fine for spoiling his name forever. It is also worth noting his cowardice by way of giving groundless excuses to avoid facing Alekhine for the title. Shame on Fine.|
|Aug-26-16|| ||MissScarlett: <It is truly regretful that Reuben Fine turned out a racist as clearly shown in his unjustified harsh comments against a great World Champion like Tigran Petrosian.>|
Sure you haven't confused him with Nigel Short?
|Aug-26-16|| ||unferth: <It is also worth noting his cowardice by way of giving groundless excuses to avoid facing Alekhine for the title.>|
say what?? when was Fine ever given the chance to play a title match with Alekhine--or anyone else?
|Aug-26-16|| ||Herald Tutt: check your records more carefully gentlemen: 1) Fine indeed made those undue racist comments. 2) Fine certainly proved a coward in the end, as he avoided Alekhine excusing himself that he had no money to buy a ticket (?!) and that he was out of practice. These are actual facts and not some rumor or personal comment. Once again shame on Fine!|
|Aug-26-16|| ||perfidious: <Herald Tutt: check your records more carefully gentlemen....2) Fine certainly proved a coward in the end, as he avoided Alekhine excusing himself that he had no money to buy a ticket (?!) and that he was out of practice. These are actual facts and not some rumor or personal comment. Once again shame on Fine!>|
Whatever are you on about here?
|Aug-26-16|| ||Boomie: <Herald Tutt: Fine certainly proved a coward in the end, as he avoided Alekhine...>|
Reuben Fine beat Alexander Alekhine 3 to 2, with 4 draws
Yeah, he must have been shaking in his boots.
|Aug-27-16|| ||Herald Tutt: Before you comment further, READ the invalid excuses given by Fine before all else; Fine knew well Alekhine was at his weakest point in the mid 30's whereas Fine chickened out when Alekhine was at his peak in the 40's. Fine's ''peak'' was never ever anywhere close to Alekhine's. At any rate Fine is forever put to shame in history for his inexcusable racism as seen against Petrosian.|
|Aug-27-16|| ||perfidious: <Herald Tutt: Before you comment further, READ the invalid excuses given by Fine before all else; Fine knew well Alekhine was at his weakest point in the mid 30's whereas Fine chickened out when Alekhine was at his peak in the 40's. Fine's ''peak'' was never ever anywhere close to Alekhine's....>|
Alekhine's career peak was before Fine became a top-class player, as they only met in one serious encounter before 1935, and never after 1938.
There were, moreover, a whole lot of players whom Alekhine never played after the latter date: have you ever heard of World War II, a block to, inter alia, international chess for some years?
Whilst Alekhine compiled a fine tournament record in events held under Nazi auspices, the <only> opponent of those whom he played at AVRO 1938 in any tourney during the war was Keres, and the latter had some explaining to do for his participation when accounts were settled afterwards.
|Aug-27-16|| ||Herald Tutt: perfidious: What have you to say about Fine's undue racist comments against Petrosian? Are you a defender of Fine no matter what he had said or done, even in the wrong?|
|Aug-28-16|| ||unferth: you're one odd troll, Mr. Tutt.|
|Aug-28-16|| ||Herald Tutt: unferth you are too ordinary for a reply.|
|Aug-28-16|| ||morfishine: The Curse of King Tutt
|Aug-28-16|| ||thegoodanarchist: <morfishine: The Curse of King Tutt >|
How'd you get so funky?
(Anyone not understanding should google it.)
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