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Jun-24-10
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| TheFocus: Botvinnik doesn't count. Simul, indeed!?
Why not count blitz games too? |
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| Jun-25-10 |
| beatgiant: <TheFocus>
Fair enough.
How about Oscar Chajes? |
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| Jun-25-10 |
| Whitehat1963: Corzo had a plus score against Capablanca???
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches... |
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| Jun-25-10 |
| Whitehat1963: Chajes didn't come close:
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches... |
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| Jun-25-10 |
| beatgiant: <Whitehat1963>
Chajes has wins in NY 1913 and NY 1916, i.e. "beat Capa more than once" as in WhiteRook48's comment above. |
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| Jun-25-10 |
| Whitehat1963: Oh, I'm sorry, <beatgiant>, you meant that Chajes had beaten Capablanca more than once. This is true, of course. |
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| Jun-25-10 |
| Whitehat1963: beat me to it. |
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| Jun-25-10 |
| AnalyzeThis: Well, as we know, to beat Capablanca even once was a rare achievement. |
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Jun-25-10
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| TheFocus: <beatgiant> <Whitehat1963>
<Chajes has wins in NY 1913 and NY 1916, i.e. "beat Capa more than once" as in WhiteRook48's comment above.> Wrong about Chajes. It was Jaffe who beat Capa in New York 1913. Chajes only had one win in tournament play in 1916. <CG> is wrong, unless it was a simul game, or mislabeled? |
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Jun-25-10
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| TheFocus: <Whitehat1963>< Corzo had a plus score against Capablanca???> Capablanca lost two games in match in 1901, 3 games in long match, and two games in 1902 Cuba Championship tournament = 7. Capa won four games in long match, and two games in Havana 1913 = 6. Corzo - 7-6. |
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Jun-25-10
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| TheFocus: Remember that I am talking about tournament and match games. <CG> seems to put credence into simultaneous and exhibition games between Capa and Corzo. But I am right about Capa's scores. |
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Jul-02-10
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| wordfunph: Story of Heinrich Fraenkel: At one tournament, Fraenkel was chatting to Sir George Thomas when a small boy handed up his autograph book which Sir George promptly signed. Then the boy handed the book to Fraenkel but the latter denied saying there could be no point in getting his autograph but the boy said, "I must have your autograph too!" Fraenkel said: "But why on earth? It's no good in your collection." --- "Oh yes, sir", said the boy, his face beaming, "I saw you talk to Capablanca!" (taken from the book Capablanca's Last Chess Lectures) |
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Jul-03-10
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| chancho: I found one game in Rogelio Capparo's book on Capa labeled: Match only game, New York 1912. Maybe the game in the database that has Chajes winning in 1913 is actually from 1912. |
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Jul-04-10
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| BobCrisp: <Wrong about Chajes. It was Jaffe who beat Capa in New York 1913. Chajes only had one win in tournament play in 1916. <CG> is wrong, unless it was a simul game, or mislabeled?> Winter's <Capablanca> book records the August 1913 <American Chess Bulletin>: <On the afternoon of July 13 Jose R Capablanca, at the invitation of Professor Rice, tried his hand at the Rice Gambit in a game against a powerful consultation team, consisting of Oscar Chajes, Professor J. Grommer and Albert Marder the rooms of the Rice Chess Club. The combination proved too strong for the ingenious Cuban master, who suffered defeat after twenty-nine moves. Capablanca had been of the opinion that, if the gambit should prove sound, it could only be demonstrated by means of Alapin's variation against the Jasnogrodsky defense, and, accordingly, adopted that line of play...> More on the Rice Gambit: http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/... Here's the basic position:
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...
So, to conclude, we can say this was a casual thematic consultation game that cannot be counted as a proper tournament/match game. |
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Jul-07-10
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| GrahamClayton: A set of stamps released to commemorate the 30th anniversary of Capablanca's victory over Emanuel Lasker in their 1921 World Championship match can be seen at: http://www.trussel.com/f_stamps.htm... |
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Jul-29-10
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| GrahamClayton: Here is a picture of Capablanca's funeral procession in Cuba: http://files.chesscomfiles.com/imag... |
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| Jul-29-10 |
| HeMateMe: Such respect. No wonder they have a nice big memorial tournament for him. I predict some day we will have the same for Bobby Fischer. Not too long ago multi Gazillionaire Bill Gates paid several million dollars for a notebook of Leonardo DeVinci drawings. The publisher of 'Cigar Aficianado' paid $500,000 for the humidor of JFK. Sometime soon, a deep pocketed individual will want to honor Fischer's contributions to chess. |
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Aug-08-10
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| LIFE Master AJ: How good was Capa really?
The following website - the link is given below - shows that Bobby Fischer was easily the greatest ... especially when you analyze his "peak years." However, when you look at a long period of time, say 15-25 years, then the picture changes dramatically. # 1.) Jose R. Capablanca
# 2.) Vassily Smyslov.
http://www.truechess.com/web/champs... |
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Aug-08-10
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| LIFE Master AJ: For my money, Morphy was the greatest of all time.
But I would quickly add that Capablanca probably belongs in the top 5! He also had one of the lowest blunder rates of all time, and is considered one of the most accurate analysts of all time. Just yesterday I was analyzing a line in the Ruy Lopez. I came across some analysis by Capa that had to be close to 100 years old. My thought was that Fritz 12 would bust it. Much to my surprise, Fritz 12 only confirmed the accuracy of his analysis. |
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Aug-08-10
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| BobCrisp: <Just yesterday I was analyzing a line in the Ruy Lopez.> Which line? |
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Aug-08-10
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| BobCrisp: Capa relates a bizarre story in an article, <Championship Chess: Incidents and Reminiscences>, which appeared in the December 1922 issue of <The Windsor Magazine>: <A couple of years later I had the most extraordinary experience of my chess life. I was then at Columbia University, but visited frequently the Manhattan Chess Club. Dr. Lasker then lived in New York. One night, when I was in the club, he came in. I was by this time recognized as the strongest player in the club. Dr. Lasker paid me the compliment of asking me to look over with him a certain position which had puzzled him considerably, and about which he had not quite made up his mind. As we sat down some of the strong players of the club came over to watch, and incidentally to offer suggestions, but naturally with the respect due to the presence of the then world's champion. We had been there for about half an hour without having arrived at any definite conclusion, when a well-dressed young man walked in, said "Good evening," sat next to Dr. Lasker, and inquired as to the nature of the matter under consideration. Immediately after he was told he proceeded to treat Dr. Lasker's suggestions in a rather cavalier manner, and undertook to show us that we did not know what we were after. I looked at him in amazement, but seeing his unconcerned expression and the apparent familiarity with which he treated Dr. Lasker, I concluded that he was a close friend of the champion, and consequently I said nothing. It did not take Dr. Lasker long to show the young man how little he really did know about the matter under consideration. The young man soon got up, said "Good night," and left. I could restrain myself no longer, and therefore asked Dr. Lasker who his friend was. His answer was that he had never seen the young man before, and that he had thought all the time that the young man was a close friend of mine - a truly astonishing situation. We had both treated the young man with a great deal of consideration because we each thought that he was the other's intimate friend, when, as a matter of fact, neither one of us had ever seen him before.> |
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Aug-09-10
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| LIFE Master AJ: <<<Aug-08-10> <BobCrisp:> <Just yesterday I was analyzing a line in the Ruy Lopez.>> Which line?>
MCO-15's analysis of the Siesta Variation of the Ruy Lopez. (Spanish.) 1.e5, e5; 2.Nf3, Nc6; 3.Bb5, a6; 4.Ba4, d6; 5.c3, f5!? (Etc.) |
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| Aug-16-10 |
| eightsquare: He is one of my favourite chess players. I especially like the way he handles the Ruy Lopez from White. |
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| Aug-27-10 |
| drnooo: Heres where the rubber hits the road: perhaps some other great player would have picked up just how the pieces move in chess by watching them at four years old. Perhaps. But there seems to be no record of that. That alone puts Capa in a league by himself. As for Morphy having an
equal or better talent, my own feeling is, its fatuous to conjecture.
Nobody was going a good job of even coming close to either for quite a while. As for Fischer he wasn't dominating much for very long, and there were a few who really could and did hold their own against him. Tal
may still have been the best calculator of them all, the fastest, though that is hard to say. After that, far as it seems to me, it's pure wilderness, about 20 in jumble of names and possibilities, even Lssker was dodging Rubenstein.
About all we can safely say is that
Capa was the laziest, closely followed by Tal , Fischer the most
cowardly (sadly so) Alekhine and Fischer the most possessed, Pillsbury the most tragic (closely followed by Keres, and being trapped by the war and then the KGB, (and yes Korchnoi having his wife and family held hostage during his match with Karpov)
and overall the mess that after Fischer how chess mostly went downhill due to the stupidity of the
players themselves and their antics:
Fischer was right about one thing: make the world champ matches LONG, now they are as brief as a comedy club jokester doing his little routine on stage. And considering how few really care, so what. It's only a game. |
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| Aug-28-10 |
| Lil Swine: if casblanca were a general and the battle was like a chess game he'd defeat everybody, and then fischer comes along |
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