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Ramon Iglesias vs Jose Raul Capablanca
Odds game (1893) (unorthodox), Havana CUB, Sep-17
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Mar-31-11  Dionysius: Interesting that the only time Capablanca took notice of his queen enough to move it was when he sacrificed it. As if he's been saying all along "thanks Senor Iglesias, but I really don't need the queen odds - you do see that, don't you?"
Apr-18-11  SeanBurdine: Another one listed in "Great Games by Chess Prodigies". According to the book, Capa really did play this well at the age of 4 years and 10 months. The authors' comment is "Normally, odds games are decided by blunders made by the odds-reciever, but here he makes no blunders."
Apr-18-11  drnooo: in another vein, Fine said that Fischer at thirteen was the better and greatest prodigy at thirteen, so you pays your money and takes your choice a silly argument of course but it is an interesting one the 13 year old Fischer playing the 13 year old Capa who had the greater talent all opening knowledge of course thrown out the window, we know for certain at eight who was greater, but then Fischer himself once said all of a sudden I just got good
Jan-30-12  Troller: I wonder who could write with the best punctuation at age 4?
Feb-07-17  MrJafari: It was the first time that I saw a formal chess game without a queen at the beginning!
Feb-07-17
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  ChessHigherCat: Capablanca was actually at a terrible disadvantage in this game because it was impossible for him to win his opponent's queen in any variation!
Feb-07-17  ughaibu: Is a player who gives queen odds forbidden to promote a pawn to a queen?
Feb-07-17
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  ChessHigherCat: Aha got me there. Speaking of which, I remember I saw Roman Dzindzin etc. play in Washington Square Park a million years ago and the way he gave odds was to let you choose a pawn (by placing tinfoil from a Marlboro pack around the top of it) and he had to promote that pawn and mate you with it or else he lost (so if you could take that pawn before he promoted it, he lost).
Feb-08-17
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  perfidious: Never heard of that method of odds-giving other than the capped knight, also from nineteenth-century games.

Never knew Dzin offered odds other than on money--number which comes to mind was typically on the order of 20-1. From my own experience with him, I wouldn't know, because we only played straight up.

Feb-08-17
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  ChessHigherCat: Well if you could hold your own with that guy, my compliments because he was a real blitz demon.
Feb-08-17
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  perfidious: I beat GMs at blitz now and again, but he was one of the toughest I faced--and that included players such as Browne, Benjamin and Dlugy.
Apr-25-17  Wavy: I thought there is something wrong with my computer because I can't see one of the queens. lol

I'm amazed at how a 4 year old Capablanca can move with strategy. My 8 year old daughter moves her pieces randomly.

May-09-17  capa72: mozart a los 5 aŅos compuso su primer soneto porque se duda si capa pudo jugar este juego a tan temprana edad? la logica del juego la desarrollo instintivamente y eso no se aprende en los libros de todas manera es una clara leccion de juego posicional que fue su caracteristica personal
Jan-07-18  schnarre: ...The first Capablaca game I can remember.
Jan-29-18
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  Sidhu: In this game, White plays without his Queen. Why and how?
Jan-29-18  chessamateur: <Sidhu: In this game, White plays without his Queen. Why and how?>

It's an odds game where the stronger player plays without a piece (in this case a queen) to even the match up more.

Jan-29-18
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  beatgiant: <Sidhu>
Have you read all the previous kibitzing above? The notable point is that Capablanca was a little under 5 years old when this was played.
Jan-29-18
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  keypusher: < beatgiant: <Sidhu> Have you read all the previous kibitzing above? The notable point is that Capablanca was a little under 5 years old when this was played.>

Quit making excuses, little Jose will never amount to anything if you keep coddling him.

Aug-07-18  romancitog: It's hard to believe a five year old kid played this well.
Aug-08-18  gabriel25: Capa own story from his book: he learnt the moves from looking at his father play and as he was happy having won, Jose Raul told his father that he had won because had wrongly moved a Knight . I read the book in 1939 so I may be wrong. I remember the book "My Chess Career"
Aug-09-18  Dr Winston OBoogie: Why is this guy playing Capablanca without a queen?? I thought it was an error at first. I see it's an odds game but why o why would white give Capa queen odds?
Aug-09-18
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  TheFocus: He received odds to test him.
Jun-12-19  Caissanist: Does anyone know the original source for this game? It's been a staple of chess literature basically forever, but I don't know where it first appeared. So far as I know, it was not included in any of Capablanca's own books.
Jun-12-19
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  beatgiant: <Caissanist> I checked _Jose Raul Capablanca: A Chess Biography_ (Miguel Sanchez) in google books, and page 67 cites Andres Clemente Vasquez in _El Figaro_, Oct. 8, 1893.
Jun-12-19  Caissanist: Thanks much <beatgiant>. Turns out there's more info on the Andres Clemente Vazquez page.
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