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|Mar-28-05|| ||Calli: <karpova> Are you Karpov's wife?|
It was more or less a friendly match. Corso had given Raulito odds for a couple of years. He was a away for a while and when he returned his friends informed him that odds would no longer be possible against the youngster. He soon found it to be true and the match was arranged. Apparently, the two hardly needed the time controls. They played at some furious blitz pace according to "The Unknown Capablanca", IIRC. Given the 4-3 result and Capa's losses to Corso in the tournament that followed, I'd say the two were approximately equal strength in 1901-1902.
|Mar-28-05|| ||Karpova: <Calli>
thanks for the background information!
no, i'm not Karpov's wife.
|Mar-28-05|| ||paladin at large: <Calli>I agree completely with your comment on the futility of trying to compare the early achievements of Capablanca, Fischer, or anyone else across the ages. However, the first Corzo match game was on November 17 and Capablanca turned 13 on November 19, 1901, so - you are right, he was 13 when the match ended - but Josť was slightly younger than Fischer at the time Fischer beat Byrne. I recall that Chernev felt that one of Capablanca's victories over Corzo surpassed in virtuosity anything Fischer had achieved at a comparable age. (Of course, Chernev adored Capablanca.) All this is just colorful background - as you note, these games are simply to be enjoyed. |
|Mar-28-05|| ||Calli: Chernev was incredible Capablanca fan. I always adjust his raves on JRC a bit. His capablanca endings book, for instance, doesn't identify enough of the opponents errors. Anyway, Juan Corzo was nowhere near the strength of Byrne, but lets not get into such comparisions.|
True, JRC was 12 yrs 363 days old on the day of the first game and 13 yrs+ for the other 12 games of the match. To me, it would be incorrect to report his age as anything but 13 for the match. It is often reported as 12 only because one of Capa's books misprinted the year of the match as 1900.
|Jun-05-05|| ||Heavy Metal Thunder: Fischer was US champ at 14, I guess that's a decent comparison point.|
|Oct-24-05|| ||who: <Calli - Corzo lost at least two that he should have drawn> I never knew what people mean by that. With analysis every loss is probably a missed draw at least.|
|Jan-13-06|| ||willamsmart: Juan Corzo is not the best player. He only won 42.3 of his games.|
|Sep-24-06|| ||Petrosian63: <williamsmart> Corzo did play a lot of matches against Capabalanca though and lost them...|
|Nov-20-06|| ||WarmasterKron: Winter gives scores of other matches Corzo: vs. Iglesias (+5 -0 =1), (+7 -5 =2) and vs. Blanco (+5 -0 =0)(!). According to his sources, Corzo also beat Lasker in some casual games.|
|Feb-12-07|| ||ianD: http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/...|
|Jun-24-07|| ||brankat: Senor Corzo's place in History of Chess in secured forever.|
|Jun-24-07|| ||BIDMONFA: Juan Corzo|
|Jun-24-07|| ||CapablancaFan: Juan Corzo was Capa's first serious advesary in professional chess, but in actuality, they remained good friends thoughout their entire lives.|
|Jun-24-07|| ||Sergei Prokofiev: He kind of looks like Nietzsche|
|Jun-24-07|| ||lopium: chessgames.com, may you check the spelling error on the biography : "but is best remembered for the the match he lost".|
|Jun-24-07|| ||brankat: In the above photo, the person in the left bottom corner seems to be Frank Marshall.|
|Jun-24-07|| ||Calli: It is Marshall. See http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/... for the full picture and Corso story.|
|Jun-25-07|| ||brankat: <Calli> Thank You so much for the link. Yes, I now also recognize D. Janowski, top left.|
Kind of funny You should show up. Only a day or to ago I thought of asking You for some info, knowing You're our Chess historian. But now I can't remember what it was :-) Old age, I suppose. I'm pretty sure it had to with something/someone in regards to the 1920s. Should I manage to remember I'll drop by at Your forum. Thank You.
|Sep-19-07|| ||ScubaSig: Calli, since this is the more read thread I'll also post the answer here, It seems that I made a mistake. My grandfather, Enrique Corzo was born in 1904 and passed away in Miami in 1974 The early 1900's was a long time ago and I got them confused. The Enrique Corzo the matches refer to here was actually my grandfathers father same name and sure enough his brother was Juan. Enrique (my grandfather) was also an avid chess player and a member of the Havana Chess Club who was taught to play by Juan, his uncle and Enrique his father and is said to have also played and won a match against Capablanca before Capablanca moved to New York. My grandfather had such an admiration for the genius Capablanca was, he wrote an article in the Cuban magazine "Carteles" in 1942 titled "Capablanca". If you can read in Spanish the article will inspire you: http://capablanca.galeon.com/|
|Jun-24-08|| ||brankat: R.I.P.Master Corzo.|
|Oct-07-09|| ||TheFocus: Before the match with Corzo, Capablanca played a series of exhibition games, or matches if you will, against leading Cuban players (totals were +13=2-3). He lost both games to Juan Corzo. Against Enrique Corzo, he won one and lost one. |
Against Corzo, Capablanca thus scored +0=0-2 in exhibition match, +4=6-3 in long match, and lost both games to Corzo in 1902 Cuban championship. Score in Corzo's favor at +7=6-4. At the time, I contend that Corzo was stronger than Capabanca, but maybe not by much.
|Aug-14-10|| ||eightsquare: Good player. and my 400th kibitz.|
|Jun-24-12|| ||brankat: Thank You for Capablanca Don Juan!
R.I.P. Senor Corzo.
|Jun-24-16|| ||TheFocus: Happy birthday, Juan Corzo.|
|Jun-24-16|| ||brankat: This is the first time I've seen the photo Of Capa, Corso... Beautiful!|
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