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| Apr-07-12 | | King Death: < offramp: I would certainly say top 20. The chessmetrics page I quoted earlier says this:
"Best World Rank: #1 (2 different months between the January 1927 rating list and the February 1927 rating list) Highest Rating: 2768 on the January 1927 rating list, #1 in world, age 37y9m Best Individual Performance: 2762 in Moscow, 1925, scoring 10/14 (71%) vs 2647-rated opposition." So Bogo was at one point the world No 1.>
Sure and even if we accept this as gospel, that system rated Maroczy as king of the hill briefly. Do you seriously believe that either of these players were the strongest at any given time? Also I'll bet Bogo's two month "reign" came to an end after New York 1927. You know, the one where Vidmar and Marshall played but not Bogo. And those players weren't stronger than Bogoljubow either. Two months as #1 and some nice tournament wins aren't exactly enough to get a pass into this group of the top 20. There are too many guys like Korchnoi and Keres after we get past the heavyweights that won the title. |
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| Apr-07-12 | | ughaibu: Only three players ever finished a tournament above both Lasker and Capablanca. Here's a collection celebrating this fact: Game Collection: On the shoulders of giants |
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| Apr-07-12 | | JohnDahl: You have the wrong collection. Epic fail. |
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| Apr-07-12 | | ughaibu: Really? Why's that then? |
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| Apr-07-12 | | JohnDahl: You work it out. |
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| Apr-07-12 | | ughaibu: It is impossible to work out that which is false. So, I'll forgo the futility of the attempt. |
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| Apr-07-12 | | JohnDahl: Futility would be trying to stand on one's own shoulders. What a muppet! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56sZ... |
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| Apr-14-12 | | balzarius: Happy birthday,grandmaster! |
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| May-16-12 | | Call Me TC: C.N. 2704:
<Wanted: substantiation of this brief news report on page 215 of the July-September 1949 CHESS:<Bogoljubow has written in a Russian language newspaper circulating mainly in the States that he does not recognize the world championship tournament just concluded because he was not invited.>> |
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| Nov-03-12 | | Paraconti: This dude has the look that would've made a perfect Bond baddie. |
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Nov-14-12
 | | Chessical: German Language interview with Bogoljubow published in the Kasseler Neueste Nachrichten of 17-18 December 1932 (Source: Edward Winter's Chess Notes 5274 & 7833) Interview with Grandmaster Bogolyubov
Our chess staffer, Mr Heinemann, had the opportunity yesterday to chat with grandmaster chess Bogolyubov on some current issues: First Question: Which of your skills do you attribute your success as a chess master?
Answer: First of all my imagination, also my memory and my talent for rapidly appraising positions. Second Question: Can we learn to "play good chess" scientifically? Answer: No, whilst scientific training can probably lead to great improvement, chess is art and praxis. Personality is important. Third Question: Which of your opponents is the most difficult?
Answer: This is a question of conscience, but listen: I could previously never win against Capablanca. Even in a winning position, I still lost. However, I believe that today I would do better, because I no longer play in so spirited a fashion; I became sober. 4th Question: Everyone thinks you're an optimist. What do you say to this assessment of your personality?
Answer: People who know nothing of chess or of the interpretation of character state that I am an optimist. On the other hand, I realize that I am a pessimist by nature. My wife says correctly: (!) ". You should always expect the worst, because if things turn out better, you will be pleased." 5th Question: Why is it that currently Germany has no players of world ranking apart from you?
Answer: German chess life is over organized. Many talented players are restricted by this. 6th Question: Do you believe that in the foreseeable future a new talent will emerge?
Answer: For the time being I do not see anyone who has such a talent. Maybe Dr. Ludwig Roedl could do it, if he had a strong will to do so. You see, there is Kurt Paul Otto Joseph Richter, his genial disposition lacks the strength of will - there is Georg Kieninger, who for various reasons has only now emerged, but now is much too old for the battle at the top. Frankly, I can see no new German grandmaster for the time being. |
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Dec-05-12
 | | jessicafischerqueen: In his memoir <"My Life Path to Vlasov and Manifesto of Prague" (San Francisco, 1978)>, Fedor Parfenovich Bohatirchuk claims that <Bogo> actually joined the Nazi Party. |
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| Dec-05-12 | | thomastonk: <jessicafischerqueen: joined the Nazi Party.> Here are a few more details: http://tartajubow.blogspot.de/2012/.... In particular, this Bohartirchuk quote is given: “It was not a secret that Bogo did not like the Bolsheviks, but I think only a few people knew that he was treating Hitler's wild ideas with at least equal revulsion and contempt.” Does he give a source for this? BTW, I have seen also propaganda against Bogo in the early Nazi years
in the the newspaper "Aachener Anzeiger - Politisches Tageblatt" (see also my kibitzing of MAR-27-12). To give an example: on March 16, 1934 the list of participants of Game Collection: Zurich 1934 was given, and it was noted that 4 jews were invited, but no German. This was definitely a side blow to Lasker, but also to Bogoljubov, who was naturalized citizen and who lived in Germany. |
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Dec-05-12
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <thomastonk> No, Bohartirchuk does not give a source for his claim. I think the jury is still out on this issue until someone digs up <Bogo's> Party membership card. I doubt such a document will ever come to light. I very much appreciate your additional information- I had in fact read your earlier posts on this controversial subject. <Bohartirchuk's> own past is controversial in this respect- <Botvinnik>, for one, was convinced that <Boha> had collaborated with the Nazis and should be "hanged." The story on that comes from <Andy Soltis'> fine McFarland publication on the history of Soviet chess. <Soltis> also indicates that there is some evidence that <Bogo> helped a few masters escape to safety during the war. I left that book at work, I'll look at at tomorrow and post the relevant passage for you and all. |
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| Dec-05-12 | | ughaibu: On the principle that the accused is assumed innocent until proven guilty, the jury is not out. Unless it can be shown that Bogolubow was a member of the Nazi party, the claim that he was has no substance and should be condemned, outright and without reservation. |
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Dec-05-12
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <ughaibu> yes, with respect to the specific claim that <Bogo> did in fact belong to the Nazi party, you are correct. You will understand, however, that many people might think it likely that the claim is true. That said, I'm not going to judge <Bogo> or <Klaus Junge> or <Alekhine> for their connections-such as they may have existed- to the Nazi Regime in such a way that I think "they were reprehensible men." They were chessmasters first and foremost. Speaking only for myself, I'm a fan of their games, and I find much else in all three men to admire besides their chess ability. There are less admirable aspects to them as well, of course. At the end of the day, given their lives and times, I think it's a mistake to be too judgmental, particularly with respect to speculative claims that have not been proven. |
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| Dec-05-12 | | thomastonk: <jessicafischerqueen> Thank you very much for your response. I am not sure what you have in mind with <I had in fact read your earlier posts on this controversial subject.> To be honest, I know much too less to have an own opinion about Bogo's relation to the Nazis. The German town Aachen, where I live since 30 years, has played a prominent role in chess during Nazi times (several tournaments, two national championships). So, I sometimes find something that could be interesting for others, and then I post it. In 1934 there appeared in that newspaper an open letter from local chess officials directly against Bogoljubov. In later years, when Germany prepared with Bogo's help for the Chess Olympiad Munich 1936 (see http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/...), the propaganda against him was not repeated. Instead the newspaper published some of his games and comments. |
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Dec-05-12
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <thomastonk> fascinating. Thanks for posting yet another relevant link on the topic as well. Here is a visual aid in case anyone wonders what I think after I read a good chess history post: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFod... |
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Dec-06-12
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <thomastonk> ok here's the story I mentioned yesterday. When the Germans captured Kiev in 1941, <Bohatyrchuk> was a member of the city council, and he served for three years under a Nazi puppet government. <"Was he a life-saver or a collaborator? Boris Spassky, in a 1997 lecture, recalled that he met Bohatrychuk in 1967 and said that during the occupation of Kiev 'he saved hundreds of people.' But Spassky added that when he showed Botvinnik a postcard he received in 1970 from Bohatrychuk, Botvinnik said: "I would personally <<<hang this man>>> in the center of the city."> When the Red Army retook Kiev, <Boha> fled west and played in a Nazi-sponsored tournament in Poland, where he roomed with <Bogoljubow>. As for <Bogo>, apparently he helped at least one master escape: <"Bogolyubov... played a role in bringing another master through the lines. Alexey Selesniev... was living in Stalinio... when it was overrun by the Nazis. Bogolyubov, who had not seen Selesniev in 17 years, apparently managed to get him <<<transferred>>> to Triberg... Selesniev eventually reaached Bordeaux, France, where he died, virtually forgotten, at age 79 in 1967."> Source- <Soviet Chess 1917-1991> Andrew Soltis. McFarland 2000, p145. |
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Dec-06-12
 | | perfidious: <jess> Small wonder Bohatyrchuk fled west-the Soviets would surely have tried and executed him as a collaborator, had he not managed to escape their clutches. |
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Dec-06-12
 | | Benzol: Botvinnik might have wanted to hang him for being one of the few leading players who had a plus score against him. |
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Dec-06-12
 | | perfidious: <Paul> Maybe so; to do as Bohatyrchuk did against Mikhail Moiseevich would have got him burnt at the stake or tried as a witch in earlier days. |
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Dec-06-12
 | | keypusher: <Benzol: Botvinnik might have wanted to hang him for being one of the few leading players who had a plus score against him.> I read an article about Bohatyrchuk in Chess Life in the 80s. It recounts that sometime in the 1930s Botvinnik gave Bohatyrchuk a book (don't know which one) with the self-deprecating inscription that he hoped it would improve Bohatyrchuk's opinion of his play. If true, that would indicate that Botvinnik wanted to hang B. later for being (in Botvinnik's eyes) a traitor, not for beating him. I'd love to read that article again. |
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Dec-07-12
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <perfidious> Yes as you say, <Boha> had every reason to believe his life was in imminent danger as the Red Army approached Kiev. One of the reasons the Soviets got even angrier with him, however, is that he subsequently joined a very strange "Pro-German army of liberation" on his circuitious, and highly dangerous, journey from Kiev to safe haven in Ottawa. He loved Kiev, and he always thought of himself as a Ukrainian first, and whatever else they forced him to be after. He'd already risked his life earlier on numerous occasions. He states that he got away with begging off a Soviet chess event on the grounds that Kiev had already changed hands 12 times and he'd prefer to stay home and be with his family in case something even more heinous happened. He also recounts the story when he had to do some fast talking to avoid prison or worse when he inadvertently purchased a fur coat from an NKVD officer in a "sting" operation. In his own memoirs, he makes it clear that he had little use for either Stalin or Hitler's governments. Easy call for many of us to make, but perhaps significantly more difficult for someone who lived square in the path of both governments, as <Boha> did. |
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Dec-13-12
 | | perfidious: <jess> Never read B's memoirs, but that sounds like a perilous business, from only the details I knew-which were less than what you have provided. It was one thing to be in Paul Keres' shoes, and even Keres escaped danger by a mere hair's breadth after playing in events under German auspices. For a player of somewhat lesser stature to have engaged in what the Soviets would have considered outright collaboration would have meant a certain date with the executioner. Did not Bohatyrchuk wind up in Bavaria (American zone of occupation) in the aftermath of the fall of the Nazis? That was a break, compared to what consequences would have ensued had he been caught in the Soviet Zone or one of the countries they occupied. |
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