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Efim Bogoljubov vs Jacques Mieses
Baden-Baden (1925)  ·  Dutch Defense: Stonewall. Modern Variation (A81)  ·  1-0
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Feb-04-12  rilkefan: I wrote above that 27...Qg4 was better than ...Qg6, but per stockfish it's not very different. In the ...Qg6 line it thinks that after e6 black plays ...Bc6 (which I hadn't considered) and white needs to push h4 (ditto). This is +4 very quickly. In the ...Qg4 line (which it's choosing at the moment after I've been playing around with Qg6) it has white eschewing f5 and black playing ...Bxe6 and dropping the loose pawns, or giving up R+B etc. It thinks f5 wins less quickly after 27...Rf8 and black gets to a slightly less awful Q vs 2R ending - but of course this is all mop-up.
Feb-04-12
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  Jimfromprovidence: I got the same line as <sethoflagos> but chose 30 e7,below, instead of 30 h4.


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I liked 30 e7 because it's a forcing move, making black follow with 30...Rdc8. Now comes 31 h4.


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This is still a a very tricky position. White wants to push his h pawn creating a mate threat at h6. Black wants to play ...d4+, creating his own passed pawn.

Still, white looks better.

Feb-04-12
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  David2009: Bogoljubov vs Mieses, 1925 White 22?

Try 22.Rxd5 seeing 22...exd5 23.Bxd5+ Kh8 24.Rxg7 Qd1+ 25.Rg1 Qxd5 26.Qf6# - WAIT! Qxd5 was CHECK. Look again: 25.Kg2 Qxd5+ 26.Kh3 Qc6 defends everything. Rewind: 24.Bxa8 Rxa8 25.Qb7 Qe8 seems fine: instead 22.Rxd5 exd5 23.Bxd5+ Kh8 24.Qd6 threatening Bxa8 and Rxg7. I am not confident but this is my final answer. Time to check:
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I think I've missed it: how does this work out against Crafty Endgame Simulator? http://www.chessvideos.tv/endgame-t...


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Not well at all: 22.Rxd5 exd5 23.Bxd5+ Kh8 24.Qd6 runs in to Qe8 25 Rxg7 Be6! and Black wins.

I had rejected the game combination because Black seemed to be getting too much wood. We reach as in the game


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and Black has RRB against QPP which T thought should be enough to defend (" ": wrong!). We live and learn. Crafty ES further link: http://www.chessvideos.tv/endgame-t... The ending could continue 27...Rf8 28.Qg5+ Kh8 29.e6 Bxe6 30.fxe6 Rae8 31.Qxg4 Rf6 32.Qd4 Rxe6 33.Qxd5 a6 and it is beyond my pay grade to win this against Crafty ES without computer help except possibly by a slow process of trial and error.

<LTJ> Bogoljubov means "blessed of God" which tempers the quote. When I am Black I lose because I am Black, when I am White i lose because I am <David2009>.

Feb-04-12  JG27Pyth: What a combination! Glad I gave up when I did... I saw the elements but no way could I put them together... great stuff.
Feb-04-12
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  sleepyirv: The only question for us sacaholics is if the Queen is worth two rooks and a bishop after Black gives up his Queen. The pass pawns, however, suggest it's actually a matter of technique at the point.
Feb-04-12  Mozart72: Opening ends with 10.Bf4. Middle game begins with 10.... Bxf4. Middle game ends with 25.... Qg4 and endgame begins with 26.Rxg4+
Feb-04-12
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  chrisowen: Paper pulp in edifice again Joshua rxd5 or bxd5 Lila tri nearly

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exposed a kneel son yokel it hopes in low to qf6 as far as I am

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Feb-04-12  Nemesistic: Providing Black takes the bishop after 22.Bxe5, then id try 23.Rxg7?.. 23..KxR. The 6th rank and the g file open, Blacks king looks unsafe, then 24.Qf6+ blacks King is forced to g8,then 25.Rdg1+ and Black has to give up his Queen, then it looks good for White with the passed pawn....

But i can't see no mate, and im probably wrong!

Feb-04-12  rapidcitychess: Yet another Bxd5 man, but I was definitely more floppy than most of the good solvers. I thought I could just push e6 and black would be nice and let me just push my pawn up.

I really must criticize my laziness. I gave up way too early. >.<

Feb-04-12  Jason Frost: Saw the line quickly, but gave up thinking white was just down a piece. Lot to look at after the queen comes off, could've been a Sunday.
Feb-04-12  Mozart72: The opening stops at move 10.Bf4. After this the middlegame starts. The whole opening is:

1. d4 f5
2. g3 Nf6
3. Bg2 e6
4. Nf3 d5
5. 0-0 Bd6
6. c4 c6
7. Nc3 Nbd7
8. Qc2 Ne4
9. Kh1 Qf6
10. Bf4 ...

Does Opening Theory have a name for this opening?

Feb-04-12  5hrsolver: There were two choices for me 22.Bxd5 or 22.Rxd5

It took me a long time to give up 22.Rxd5 but I could not find a satisfactory continuation after 22... exd5 23.Bxd5+ Kh8 24.Rxg7 Rf8 black can develop his own attack

So settled for 22.Bxd5 as in the game continuation. I figured black's pieces are not well coordinated and white can develop a queen and pawn attack or promotion.

Feb-04-12  LoveThatJoker: <David2009> :D

LTJ

Feb-04-12
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  FSR: It's gotta be something like 22.Rxd5!! exd5 23.Rxg7+!!! - except legal. I don't see it.
Feb-04-12
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  FSR: Duh. That wasn't so hard.
Feb-04-12
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  FSR: < Mozart72: The opening stops at move 10.Bf4. After this the middlegame starts. The whole opening is: 1. d4 f5
2. g3 Nf6
3. Bg2 e6
4. Nf3 d5
5. 0-0 Bd6
6. c4 c6
7. Nc3 Nbd7
8. Qc2 Ne4
9. Kh1 Qf6
10. Bf4 ...

Does Opening Theory have a name for this opening?>

Sure. Dutch Defense, Stonewall Variation. The Dutch Defense is 1.d4 f5; 2.g3 is the main line for White; and the setup with pawns on d5, e6, and f5 is the Stonewall Variation.

Feb-04-12
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  watwinc: For a while I was in love with 22 Rxd5 exd 23 Bxd5+ Kh8 24 Rxg7, but then I saw 24 ... Bc6 25 Qxc6 Qd1+ 26 Kg2 Qxd5+
Feb-04-12  ajax333221: If you failed the puzzle, maybe this story will cheer you up:


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White: "Does your king have a magnet?"
Black: <picks up the king>

Guess what happened next :)

This happened on a real tournament and it is the shortest game ever recorded

Feb-04-12
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  lost in space: must be 2...Ke7 3. Qxe5#
Feb-05-12
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  Marmot PFL: <22 Bxd5!! With a sudden change of plan, white assails the hostile position like a streak of lightning> Lasker

<23 Rxg7+! This double sacrifice exhibits the superb talent of the Russian champion. He had to calculate not only the winning of the queen for three pieces, but also several moves ahead of that.> Tartakover

Feb-05-12
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  LIFE Master AJ: Just for the record, (I sarted to kibbitz, I remember typing, but maybe forgot to do the actual post. BTW, I seem to do this a lot.) I got the key move (22.BxP/d5!! un-masking the Rook on g1) here. However, I opted for the immediate 27.e6. (Instead of 27. f5)

Not sure if this disqualifies me as finding the solution or not ...

Feb-05-12
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  LIFE Master AJ: This was featured in '04.

I think I missed it that time, but got it this time around ... prolly (once more) memory is as good as (or better than) calculation.

Feb-05-12
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  LIFE Master AJ: <<Feb-04-12 Jason Frost: Saw the line quickly, but gave up thinking white was just down a piece. Lot to look at after the queen comes off, could've been a Sunday.>>

Astute judgement.

Feb-05-12  Nemesistic: <ajax333221> I'm guessing White "tricked" Black into touching his king, then made him move it resulting in a 3 move loss..

I think if White had somehow "cunningly tricked" me into that same mistake, then he'd be playing the next round with some kind of physical injury that'd prevent him from even moving his pieces!

Kind of funny from white's perspective, but baaaaaaaad sortsmanship.

Feb-17-12  Penguincw: The rook and bishop sac comes with with a queen and bishop, and dangerous connect passed pawns.
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