| Nov-22-02 |
| ughaibu: This might be the most obscure and complex of the Anderssen-Lange games. By move 11 queens are off and Anderssen is a rook behind yet he wins more or less effortlessly. Strangely there is no real analytic comment in the Pickard book, just that after 15. Rf1 white has compensation for the sacrificed material and 20. Nd3+ gets a !? |
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| Nov-22-02 |
| drukenknight: cant black play ...Rg8 grab the g pawn and create a passed pawn, somewhere around move 17? |
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| Nov-22-02 |
| ughaibu: It's very complicated, for example after 17..Rg8 white could take the rook by Nc7 or try for more with d4 or Nf3 or Bh5 and probably lots of other ideas. |
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| Nov-22-02 |
| Cyphelium: Another idea after 17.-Rg8 could be 18.g3 18.-Bg5 19.Rxf2
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18.-Bxg3 19.Bxg3 Rxg3 20. Rxf2
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18.-Nh3 19.gxh4
In other words, black loses a piece. |
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| Nov-22-02 |
| drukenknight: well if you guys have eight different moves in mind for whites response imagine how our solid state players are doing? I wonder how many different responses we'd get from the computer? |
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| Nov-23-02 |
| ughaibu: Drukenknight: I like Bh5. An example line: 18. ..Na6 19. Re1, Kd8 20. Bf7, b5 21. Nf3, Bg5 22. Ng5, Bd5 23. Bd5 white will win back the sacrificed material then the bishops look much better than the knights and white has "4 connected pawns"! |
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| Nov-23-02 |
| drukenknight: so ugh. you going 17...Rg8 18 Bh5? The more I sit down with this one, the more I hate blacks position. Im kinda regretting having taken up the cause here. I need to rethink the overall situation. In terms of material black seems to be up about 3 pts. A Rook vs 2 extra connected pawns for white. In terms of development of these guys, well black is behind. Dangerously far behind. In terms of position. the one overriding factor seems to be that blacks K is in the open. Hmmm, it seems to me that black should think of making exchanges if that will help take pressure of his K. Or perhaps give up material in order to stop this attack. Grabbing the g2 pawn amounts to attempting to gain more material. SO what do others think? |
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| Feb-28-03 |
| ughaibu: I'd like to re-awaken this one if anybody has any ideas(?) |
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| Apr-08-03 |
| ongyj: Thanks for introducing this game; for the 11st time I'm beginning to see the King's gambit in good light! Anyone thinks the Mark M Hebden vs J Sanz match black has reasonable drawing chances, I mean after the exchanges made on the e2 square. Hebden vs J Sanz, 1982 |
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| Jun-29-06 |
| RookFile: This game is really unbelievable. I can't believed this worked out for white. |
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Jun-29-06
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| keypusher: H Baucher vs Morphy, 1858
Morphy vs Anderssen, 1858
Looks like Qe7+ was Lange's novelty, although I wouldn't be surprised if Morphy-Anderssen and Anderssen-Lange were both book at that point. |
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| Feb-05-07 |
| psmith: Does White really have compensation for the exchange if Black just develops with 14... d6 15. Rxh1 Nc6...? |
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Feb-05-07
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| Timothy Glenn Forney: <psmith> 14...d6 is the best and wins 15.Rxh1 Be6 ect... |
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| Feb-05-07 |
| sneaky pete: White should have played 14.Bxc7+ Ke8 15.0-0-0 .. and again after 14.0-0-0? Nf2? 15.Bxc7+ Ke8 16.Re1 .. (ignoring the worthless knight and intending after .. d6 17.Bh5 .. threatening Rxe7+ and preventing .. Be6; after 16... d6 17.Bh5 Nc6 18.Nxe7 Nxe7 19.Bxd6 .. white is certainly not worse). |
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| Feb-06-07 |
| psmith: <sneaky pete> Further analysis makes me think you're right after all... But I will need to consider the position further. |
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| Jul-13-07 |
| psmith: <CRWynn> In your first line, after 9...Qb4+ 10.Qd2 Qd2 11.Nd2 Nh1 12.Nf6+ Kd8 13.Nd5 Na6 14.Bg5+ Ke8 15.0-0-0 d6 16.Nf6+ Kd8 17. Nd5+ Ke8 there appears to be a draw. If Black tries for more with 17... Kd7 18. Nf6+ Kc6 White gets the advantage after, for example, 19. Bf3+ Kb5 20. c4+ Ka5 21. Nd5 Bg7 22. Rxh1. (There are other tries for Black but none seem better.) |
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Jul-13-07
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| Honza Cervenka: Black was too much greedy in this one. In moves 13-15 he should have played d7-d6. |
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Sep-23-09
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| heuristic: mo' better moves :
14...d6 15.Nxe7 Nf2 16.Bg5 Nxd1 17.Nd5+
15...d5 16.Rxh2 Bxh4 17.g3 Be7 18.Nxe7 |
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sac: 8.Bxf4
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