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|Feb-26-06|| ||Madman99X: Zaius. I agree with the means by which a chessgame is played. However, the proper opening move is. 1. d4!|
|Feb-26-06|| ||alphee: A tough one but, it's Sunday! I started with something too easy to be a solution: 27. xe5 xe5 28. c4+ dd5 29. xd5+ h8 30. xf6# but coudl not find any convincing alternative contiuation, except may be 28... f8 29. h6+ e7 30. c7+ e8 31.c6+ d7 32. xb8+ f7 33. f8+ e6 and that's not what the game was.|
|Feb-26-06|| ||Sneaky: It's funny how you study a position like this, and if you're good, you end up seeing all of the combinational themes. I saw the exchange sac, I saw checks against the black king, I saw the queen coming to c7 with check where the simple QxQ would lose a piece, and I saw taking on f6 in some lines.|
And yet... I just could make it all click together! I'm sure most of you know this feeling.
|Feb-26-06|| ||blingice: WOW I got a Saturday and a Sunday. I can't really see more than 4 or 6 ply ahead, but I'm still getting the right moves.|
|Feb-26-06|| ||kevin86: Black offered an opportunity to abandon his queen to take a rook. A few minutes later white does the same----except,a black refusal would result in a mate in two by close-quartered,united bishops.|
|Feb-27-06|| ||melianis: first.|
|Feb-27-06|| ||Resignation Trap: Is this the correct score of the game, or is this: Polugaevsky vs I Bilek, 1969 ?|
I put the latter into my Game Collection: Grandmaster Polugaevsky .
|Feb-27-06|| ||LIFE Master AJ: Same game (Polugaevsky vs I Bilek, 1969)... different move order?|
|Feb-27-06|| ||Resignation Trap: I just checked with the book <Grossmeister Polugaevsky>. The other game, Polugaevsky vs I Bilek, 1969 has the correct score:|
11.Bxd6 Nd4 12.e5 Nd7 13.Re1 Nc6, transposing back to this game. There White has a chance to go wrong with (11.Bxd6 Nd4) 12.Bxc5 Nxe2+ 13.Qxe2 Qc8! and Black gets a good game.
|Feb-27-06|| ||Resignation Trap: THIS is the correct order (with 11.Bxd6 Nd4 12.e5 Nd7 13.Re1 Nc6), the knights just did a different dance to get to the same position.|
|Feb-28-06|| ||LIFE Master AJ: and how can you be so sure?
CB gives the other one. (The only way to be sure if someone has a book of the event.)
|Feb-28-06|| ||Pawn and Two: <LIFE MASTER AJ> The moves as given in the above game are the correct order. This is confirmed by the book, Grandmaster Performance, by L. Polugayevsky - Pergamon Press - 1984.|
Polugayevsky provides extensive notes for this game and all of his 64 games in this excellent book.
|Feb-28-06|| ||LIFE Master AJ: I have the above book ... I am pretty sure, and I will look it up later this evening.|
|Feb-28-06|| ||LIFE Master AJ: So where does this one vary?
|Feb-28-06|| ||Pawn and Two: <LIFE MASTER AJ> Note in Polugayevsky's notes he comments on Black's move 11. Nd4 indicating that the alternative is 11. Qa5 (not Nd7 as given in the incorrect game).|
Also, he comments on his 13th move R-e1, stating that he should have played 13. Nxd4 (additional evidence that Black must have played 11. Nd4). Further he provides variations for 13. Nxd4 that he states he was calculating during the actual game.
I think the evidence is conclusive that the above move order is correct.
Now someone should get Chessgames to remove the other game.
|Feb-28-06|| ||Pawn and Two: <Resignation Trap> You are correct regarding the move order. I checked my copy of Grandmaster Performance.|
On the correct game version, I have also noted that Polugayevsky's annotations prove the Black must have played 11. Nd4 and 13. Nd4-c6.
|Feb-28-06|| ||LIFE Master AJ: I searched for over an hour ... but never found my copy. (Of Polugaevksy's book.)|
|Feb-28-06|| ||LIFE Master AJ: <Pawn and Two>
This only confirms my suspicions about the game, the opening was far to erratic here ... and was one of the reasons that I did not annotate it on my web page.
|Feb-28-06|| ||chessgames.com: We've merged the two games into one page (kibitzing as well). You can see the differences between the two scores highlighted when you click on the link below the game that reads <NOTE: There are two scores for this game in the database. View alternate score.>|
|Mar-06-06|| ||LIFE Master AJ: It is also interesting to note all the alternative spellings of the city that this game was played in. |
I wonder which one is correct?
|Mar-06-06|| ||Resignation Trap: <LIFE Master AJ> If you want to know how the name of this city is spelled, try this: http://www.buesum-information.de|
If you go to the page with the alternate game score, it reads :"Busum (Netherlands)", however the city is in <Germany>!
This tournament was another feather in the cap for Bent Larsen , who finished first, ahead of the Soviet representatives Lev Polugaevsky and Alexander Zaitsev , who had tied for first in the USSR Championship a few months earlier.
See how Larsen stomped a fellow GM in only 15 moves: Bobotsov vs Larsen, 1969 .
The other notable factoid about this tournament was the performance of the veteran player Friedrich Samisch , who went 0-15, by losing all his games on time!
|Mar-07-06|| ||LIFE Master AJ: <RT> Thanks for the info, I am sure that most of the members here did not know many of the cool little factoids that you shared with us.|
|Mar-07-06|| ||EmperorAtahualpa: <Resignation Trap> It is actually very likely that this game was played in the Dutch city of Bussum.|
|Mar-07-06|| ||Resignation Trap: <EmperorAtahualpa> I took that possibility into consideration. However, I also looked at the crosstable of this event: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/cserica/s... , and I noticed many German players, but no Dutch players, so it seemed highly unlikely.|
|Jun-04-13|| ||whiteshark: Polugayevsky mentionend that "Black misses the interesting possibility of <17...Na5!>,
click for larger view
after which 18. Ne7+ can be quietly met by 18...Kh8, while the sacrifice of a piece for three pawns -18.Bxb6 axb6 19.Qxb6 (19.Qg3 Bxd5) 19...Bxe5 is in his favour."
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