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|Nov-20-02|| ||ughaibu: If Littlewood had recaptured on b3 with the a-pawn all these resources based on c2 would disappear. |
|Nov-20-02|| ||drukenknight: Hey I think I am on the right track now:|
20 gxf7+ Rxf7 21 Qg5+ Rg7 (else white takes e5) 22 QxR KxR 23 Ne6+
Now if 23...Kf7 24 NxQ+ and if K moves somewhere else 24 RxQ
There, does that work???
|Nov-21-02|| ||Honza Cervenka: DK, 21...Rg7 in your line is bad. Black has to play 21...Kh8. After 22. Qxe5 he is still in decisive material advantage. |
|Nov-21-02|| ||drukenknight: the material advantage is only huge if you dont count connected pawns as having any value. Plus blacks N is now pinned that must count for some sort of positional advantage. |
|Nov-21-02|| ||OttawaChessFan: I don't Littlewood even had a chance. Botvinnik takes his knight out for a 3 move prance around the board, nabs the white bishop, then Littlewood baffingly decides to recapture with a pawn to the outside of the board. Does the old spearthrust for the black bishop, makes a few flashy gambles trying to get under Botvinniks skin (giving up a knight along the way) only to have his pawn stopped dead in its tracks by Botvinniks knight at f6.|
Nf5 = c2+, Kxc2, followed by a rook check, putting the king on a white square where the queen can check the king and nab the knight at f5.
Nc2 followed by Ne3 and white can defend his miserable position a little longer.
Instead, he chickens out and then Botvinnik comes in for another routine kill.
|Nov-21-02|| ||drukenknight: I take your pt. OCF, what do you think of my proposal, does it keep white alive? |
|Nov-22-02|| ||Cyphelium: On 20.gxf7+ Rxf7 21. Qg5+ black doesn't have to play the losing 21.-Rg7. If white wants the e5 pawn he can have it: 21.-Kh8 22.Qxe5 cxb2 and white has to show what compensation he has for being a piece down. A knight jump suggests itself, but I don't see anything concrete for white. |
|Nov-22-02|| ||drukenknight: Come see a world champion lose.
20. gxf7+ Rxf7 21. Qg5+ Kh8! 22. Qxe5 cxb2 23 Nxb2
Cyphelium, it's back to you.
|Nov-22-02|| ||ughaibu: Drukenknight: the knight cant capture on b2. Anyway what is the point of the capture cxb2? Also why Rf7? Kf7 looks natural to me. |
|Nov-22-02|| ||Cyphelium: The idea of 22.-cxb2 in the variation 20.gxf7+ Rxf7 21.Qg5+ Kh8 22.Qxe5 cxb2 is simply to not lose a pawn. White can play bxc3 soon and if he gets to many pawns it will be harder to win for black. Perhaps 22.-Rc8 is better though. |
20.-Kxf7 looks playable to me too.
White could try 21.Ne6, but loses after 21.-c2+ 22.Kxc2 Qc8+ picking up the e6 knight. 21.Nf5 loses to same c2+ idea.
It seems like white has to move the knight, but he has no good way of continuing the attack. 21. Nc2 Qc7 and black is a piece up and looks ready to take over the initiative.
|Nov-22-02|| ||drukenknight: oh I thought he pused the pawn to c2, instead he captured. So I think it's just 23 Kxb2 there.|
I have to reset this. this one is definite computer analysis time, lots of lines to look at.
|Nov-22-02|| ||drukenknight: 22...cxb2 23 Ne6 |
|Nov-23-02|| ||ughaibu: Drukenknight: a good reason not to play cxb2. The main reason that I prefer Kf7 is that white doesn't get to capture the e5 pawn so the knight stays under attack and black gets the initiative. Unless the knight goes to c2 (where it isn't dangerous) black can still play c2 followed by Qc8-f5 and Rd8. Black is a piece up and now fully developed, I dont see why there should be any difficulty winning. |
|Nov-23-02|| ||drukenknight: okay ugh. you're going with another move I take it, 22...Kf7 then? I have to reset this one, I'm more into that Karpov/Miles game right now. |
|Apr-24-04|| ||weary willy: (this should be john e littlewood - not his son paul - born ca 1956) |
|Sep-14-04|| ||RisingChamp: This was a nice game.While it was going on many ppl had crowded around the board thinking it would be a famous victory for Littlewood.He had just overlooked the c2+ tactic after Nf5.Against the World Champion he should have been a lot more careful. |
|Sep-14-04|| ||ray keene: i watched this game being played when i was 13. it was incredibly exciting and all the spectators-having overlooked botvinniks c2+ resource-were convinced littlewood was going to win |
|Jan-02-09|| ||Ychromosome: The position at move 21 makes me nervous just playing over it!|
|Sep-17-09|| ||keithbc: C2+ resource??|
|Sep-23-09|| ||SimonWebbsTiger: Rest in Peace John Littlewood|
|Sep-23-09|| ||erimiro1: What about 20.N-f5 with a mate threat on g7?|
|Sep-23-09|| ||erimiro1: Ah - missed 20.-c2+ 21.K:c2 Qc8+ and the poor horse is lost|
|Sep-23-09|| ||ray keene: as i said-i watched this game being played and everyone in the audience overlooked the c2 + resource as well|
|Sep-30-09|| ||jerseybob: This system played by Botvinnik, a combo Dragon-Najdorf, is fascinating. I have a dim recollection of a game Browne played against Stewart Reuben in some late 60s British tourney, and he at some point moved a minor piece to d5. I think. And there's the game Fischer-Reuben in this database in which Fischer dispenses with all the Yugoslav niceties like f3 and Qd2 and just kills black down the h-file.|
|Nov-22-11|| ||King Death: < erimiro1: Ah - missed 20.-c2+ 21.K:c2 Qc8+ and the poor horse is lost>|
This was the point White overlooked when he went into this, as Botvinnik mentioned in his annotations. It's very easy for even an outstanding attacker like Littlewood was to miss this kind of resource at the start of one's analysis.
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