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|Mar-15-15|| ||gofer: Black is already a pawn down, but the real issue is that black is
about to trade off its LSB and then is massively susceptable to
a smothered mate attack starting with Rxf7!
<17 R1xc6 Nxc6/bxc6>
<18 Rxf7! ...>
If black accepts then all hell breaks loose.
18 ... Kxf7 19 Ng5+
If black refuses white has absolute control of the white
squares around the king and black is on a hiding to nothing...
At this point, I have no idea what happens, but that must be
the general idea...
Hmmm, well "yes" I was right with the first two moves, but I was
no where near that beautiful finish. I would not have dreamed of
hanging my rook out to dry like that (with Nh4!) unless I could
see that it was immune from capture due to the recapture on b7
eight moves later!!!
|Mar-15-15|| ||M.Hassan: "Insane"
White to play 17.? and White is a pawn down
White Queen is under attack:
If the king comes out of his safety, there will be trouble for Black:
<18...Kxf7 19.Qc4+ Re6 20.Ng5+ Kg8 21.Qxe6+ Kh8 22.Nf7+ and forking Black Queen>
<18...Re7 19.Bg5 20.Rxf7 20.Bxd8 and Black Queen is lost>
Likely, Black's next move will be h6 to safeguard g5 square:
Position is equal and can not figure out how the game will be continued, have to check.
|Mar-15-15|| ||Nick46: <An Englishman: ... the fourth play-through.>
Botvinnink again and again|
|Mar-15-15|| ||Penguincw: Never saw this game before, but I wish I had. It's a beauty.|
|Mar-15-15|| ||SimonWebbsTiger: Too famous for a puzzle. The game is 101 English. Great to know, though, chess fans like <penguinw> haven't seen it before. He could still pluck 'em, old Mikhail.|
|Mar-15-15|| ||playground player: I always run out of men to sacrifice before I can get to a finish like that.|
|Mar-15-15|| ||SimonWebbsTiger: The Soviet Botvinnik as a pun?|
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|Mar-15-15|| ||Jimfromprovidence: I had never seen this game. It was quite a treat.
I was looking at the line 17 R1xc6 Nxc6 18 Rxf7 Nd4?!
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The idea was to free up...b5 and protect against Qb3. White refutes it with 19 Rd7!
click for larger view
One elegant finish goes 19...b5 20 Rxd8 bxa4 21 Rxa8 Rxa8 22 Nxd4.
click for larger view
|Mar-15-15|| ||PJs Studio: "Insane"
Yep. I'm embarrassed to say I've never seen this game. I have only started studying Botvinnik recently.
I didn't know his scientific nature could be so tactical. 21.Nh4(!!) really? Qf7 (which probably doesn't work), is all I saw. The depth of his attack is broad and deep.
|Mar-15-15|| ||scormus: <Once> and <PJs Studio> I admit it, I never saw this game before. Right from my first look at the position I knew I'd get much more satisfaction from playing it through than trying to solve it. And so it was ....|
I sort of guessed R1xc6 and Rxf7 would be played, on aesthetic as much as anything. But no idea how Botvinnik would finish the job.
Amazing vision on Botvinnik's part :)
|Mar-15-15|| ||al wazir: <ASchultz: This is probably not a quick killer, but Nxe5 Qxc4 Nxc4 leaves the undeveloped Black queenside exposed. He is already down 3 (center) pawns for the exchange>. Yes, black has to lose at least one, probably two more ♙s.|
|Mar-15-15|| ||Longview: As I see the situation, White has a Queen and a rook each under attack and unprotected. That leads to consideration of 17. R1xc6 or R7xc6. Black can comfortably reply 17...bxc6 or Nxc6 gaining on the exchange but white maintains the edge. I was surprised by 18. Rxf6 and more by its reply h6. But then 19. Qc4+ looks pretty strong and roots the king from his lair. I was expecting 18. Bb6 xraying the Queen and moving the Rook with a discovered attack. Too slow obviously because 18...Qf6 puts Black in a good defense of the pawn and the knight and his is back in the game while white is down the exchange. Houdini chose the Nxc6 as a better response, by the way.|
|Mar-15-15|| ||waustad: I started right but got completely lost.|
|Mar-15-15|| ||barabas: What kind of language chrisowen is using?|
|Mar-15-15|| ||OhioChessFan: <barabas> consider expectations possibly <chrisowen> some of sort training by the enjoyment random great new and explanation us generated of your then computer while geometrical self the wonder after language because to translated throughout perhaps seriously eclectic am precision. Take or yesterday from chessgames.com is try?|
|Mar-15-15|| ||WannaBe: <OCF> That's pretty darn good!|
|Mar-15-15|| ||TheBish: Botvinnik vs Portisch, 1968|
White to play (17.?) "Insane"
White is up a pawn, but his rook is trapped by the bishop on c6, which is also attacking White's queen. So it's pretty clear that White must give up the Exchange for starters. But after that, what? How about another rook?
17. R1xc6! bxc6
Or 17...Nxc6 18. Rxb7 with threats of Qxc6, Ng5 and Qc4 (Qb3).
18. Rxf7!! Kxf7 19. Qc4+ Kg6
Or 19...Ke7 (Kf6) 20. Bg5+, winning the queen; 19...Re6 20. Ng5+; 19...Qd5 20. Ng5+.
20. Qg4+ Kf7
Once again, if 20...Kf6 21. Bg5+ is deadly.
21. Ng5+ Kf6
Or 21...Ke7 22. Qe6#; 21...Kg6 22. Ne6+, winning the queen; 21...Kg8 22. Qc4+ Kh8 23. Nf7+ Kg8 24. Nh6+ Kh8 25. Qg8#.
22. Qf3+ Ke7
Or 22...Kg6 23. Qf7+ Kh6 24. Ne6+.
23. Qf7+ Kd6 24. Ne4#.
|Mar-16-15|| ||Moszkowski012273: VERY instructive...|
|Mar-16-15|| ||Helios727: In the final position, what happens after 26. ... Kf6 ?|
|Mar-16-15|| ||shivasuri4: <Helios727>, if 26...Kf6, White follows up with 27.Qf4+ Ke6 28.Qf5+ Kd5 (Ke7 loses to Bg5#) 29.Bf7+ Qxf7 30.Nxf7+ and White has an easy win.|
|Mar-17-15|| ||Moszkowski012273: Not true <shivasuri4> black gets checkmated via 28.Bf7+...|
|Mar-18-15|| ||shivasuri4: What do you mean by "not true"? 28.Bf7+ also wins after 28...Ke7 29.Qg5#, but there's nothing wrong with the line I've provided.|
|Mar-18-15|| ||Moszkowski012273: Why mate in twelve when you can mate in four?|
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