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Max Euwe vs Vera Menchik
"Join the Club" (game of the day Jul-10-2011)
Hastings (1930/31), Hastings ENG, rd 2, Dec-30
Queen's Gambit Declined: Orthodox Defense. Henneberger Variation (D63)  ·  0-1
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Jul-10-11
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  HeMateMe: That Menchik chick beat some of the fellows.
Jul-10-11  goodevans: What was the point of 57 e4? Seems to me the win would have been much harder after an immediate 57 Kxf7.

Not a great game for GOTD.

Jul-10-11  psmith: <goodevans>
57. Kxf7 Bb3+ wins immediately.
Jul-10-11
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  NARC: I think it's Henneberger instead of Hennegerger.
Jul-10-11  Sem: Among the chess masters of those days there was the Menchik club: anyone who lost to Miss Menchik or drew a game with her automatically became a member. In his book 'Mr Caissa' Euwe wrote that Capablanca wanted to stay out of the club at all costs, which sometimes cost him a lot of energy.
Jul-10-11
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  Marmot PFL: Against Alekhine, Capa, Botvinnik, Fine and Keres she was 0-22, but did beat Reshevsky.
Jul-10-11
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  meloncio: <Sem><anyone who lost to Miss Menchik or drew a game...> I thought only losers became members of the club.
Jul-10-11  Ferro: La Estrategia gana
Jul-10-11
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  perfidious: <meloncio> Losers only were the 'lucky' ones.

<NARC> Indeed it is.

Jul-10-11
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  numbersguy70: 51.Kg7 blows the draw. Marching the e pawn holds on.

Playing for a win can hurt when the position is clearly drawn. Euwe probably would have played differently if he wasn't too proud to draw a woman. As Marcellus Wallace said, "Pride only hurts, it never helps."

Jul-10-11  WhiteRook48: white might get more out of 33 Qe5 Qxc5 34 e4 Bc6 35 Ba2
Jul-10-11  blueofnoon: It is often said that Miss Menchik was approximately of today's IM strength, but it's hard to believe an IM would beat Karjakin or Ponomariov who should be roughly equal to Euwe and Reshevsky at that time.
Jul-10-11  Sem: <meloncio> Well, I believe it was in one of the Hastings tournaments that it looked as if Miss Menchik would draw against Capablanca. In his book 'Mr Caissa' Euwe unveils how Capa did his utmost to win that game. Which he finally did, aided by his opponent who lost her way in an endgame.
Jul-10-11  nolanryan: i suspect the pun had something to do with the opening actually, no idea.
Jul-11-11
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  kevin86: I think that "the club" referred to the top male players who lost to Ms. Menchik. A very large fraternity indeed.
Nov-28-11  sevenseaman: Vera dismantles and totally disarms Max Euwe. "Join the Club" obviously alludes to the famous victim.
Dec-13-11
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  Penguincw: No fortress here.

Endgame Statistics

♔♙ vs. ♔♕

The superior side wins 83.1% of the time.

A draw occurs 16.9% of the time.

The inferior side never wins. :(

Aug-07-12  vinidivici: 38.Kd3 is not so good for me.
Firstly the white bishop still in an awkward position...king wants to reach the d4 square. but 38. Kd3 is a too hasty move. Black responds 38...Ke5, 39.g4 what we have looked ended up as a lost, meanwhile 39.f4 giving black the f5 square and black would move his/her king to reach g-3 pawn, to protect white has to move backward again leaving the very good d4 square. Not so good. The beter move (much better for me) is

38.Bb3
That would unleash the white bishop to its potent.
White would got the d4 square which is very strong position.. e.g. black 38...Ke5
39.f4+ Kf5
40.Bd1 Kg4
41.Kf2+ Kf5
42.Bf3 g5
43.g4+ Kf6
44.Ke2 Bd7
45.Kd3 Bc6
46.Kd4 (what we expect white to claim it) gxf4
47.exf4 Ke6
48.g5 Kf5
49.g4+ Ke6
50.f5+ Kd7
51.Bxd5, with white has much better position than black.

meanwhile 39...Kf6
40.Kd3 in view 41.Kd4 with white king claim strongly the d4 much earlier and very bad for black.

Aug-08-12  thomastonk: <vinidivici> Hello! 38.Bb3 has a point, but I think in your line, Black can improve with 40.. Kf6. Say 41.Kd3 Bf5+ 42.Kd4 Be4.

Here White can try 43.Bg4 Bxg2 44.Bc8 g6!(Against the 'rule' all pawns are put on the bishops color.) 45.Bxb7 Ke6 and I don't see how White can make progress.

Another try is 43.Bf3 Bxf3 44.gxf3 Ke6 45.f5+ Kxf5 46.Kxd5 and the pawn ending will result in a queen ending with two against one pawns, but without a passed pawn, and such endings are usually drawn.

Feb-16-14
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  Richard Taylor: Good game by Menchik! Clever play in the ending to beat the man who beat Alekhine.
Feb-17-14  thomastonk: The ending is very rich, and I have analysed it already several times.

Euwe's decision to go for the bishops ending by exchanging queens was criticised by no one else than Capablanca: "exchanged the only piece that was bothering the other fellow" ("The Times" of December 30, 1930). Maybe he thought of 32.♕d6, which should win a pawn (WSZ 1931, p 70-72).

Nevertheless the bishops ending is very favourable for White. After a few forced moves, this position is reached:


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The pawns on b7 and d5 are Menchik's problem, and it is clear that she will have to work hard for a draw.

Assume for a moment that White's pawn on g3 is on h2 or h3. Then 39.f4 would win a pawn and probably the game. But in the current position, 39.f4? would allow a race that ends in a drawn queens ending: 39.. ♔f5 40.♔d4 ♔g4 41.♗xd5 ♗xd5 42.♔xd5 ♔xg3 etc. This shows that the weakened pawn structure counts!

Feb-17-14  thomastonk: So, Euwe played 39.g4! and again after a series of best possible moves the game reached this position:


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Here Euwe decided for a logical plan. He played 44.♗f3? in order to control Black's h-pawn, and break into Black's position with the king. But 46.♔d5? run into 46.. b6!:


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This is psychologically an interesting point that appears quite often. White has now lost most of his advantage. A few moves later, the position is in dynamic equality:


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Feb-17-14  thomastonk: Here White should go for a draw , but he went for the h7-pawn with his king. This asked for trouble!

Strictly speaking, the first two king moves don't lose the game, only 52.♔xh7? does. But to save the game after 52.♗h5! (WSZ again) will be no easy matter at all. Depending on Black's reply several different endings may occur, all drawn, but some only by a hair.

Euwe was the favorite in this game, he played the White pieces and got a significant advantage. It seems that he didn't managed to accept that he spoiled his chances and hence even lost! This is the way he joined *the* club. Menchik's play is faultless, but this alone doesn't explain the result.

Feb-17-14  thomastonk: People with scientific interest may ask: is the ending won for White, or can Black draw? Well, I think it could be draw by a miracle!

Instead of 44.♗f3?, White should play 44.♔e4. Black can prevent the White king from penetrating the king's side, and force thereby a further exchange: White's e-pawn versus Black's f-pawn. Here is a sample line: 44.. h6 45.♔f3 ♔g6 46.e4 ♔g7 47.f5 f6 48. ♔f4 ♔f8 49.♗c4! ♗d7 50.♗e2 ♗e8! 51.e5 fxe5+ 52.♔xe5 h5.


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Black has managed to bring his h-pawn to h5, which is extremely important, even though he'll lose his b7-pawn. If he would defend the b7 pawn, he would lose the h-pawn and the game.

53.♗f3 h4 54.♗xb7 (going for the h4 pawn doesn't help either) h3 55.c6 h2 56.c7 ♗d7 and this is the miracle:


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Draw!

Jun-22-16  RookFile: I think Capa is quite right that white shouldn't have exchanged queens. What's the hurry? White has an active queen, black does not.
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