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|May-08-06|| ||keypusher: Can't find a game that answers that description, but here is an earlier win by Fine despite "falling" into another queen trap. |
Fine vs W Winter, 1936
Botvinnik vs Spielmann, 1935
|May-08-06|| ||chancho: <Keypusher> I don't know of the other game either. That story I posted, is in Lev Alburt's: "Comprehensive Chess Course".|
|May-09-06|| ||Jarlaxle: this definately doesnt look like a GM game to me... but i am not one to claim to know what im talking about... or something like that|
|Jul-10-06|| ||Eggman: 8.Nxd5 has to be one of the worst ever blunders by a world-champion calibre player.|
|Oct-01-06|| ||Uzi: <Writing in Chess Review, October 1951, Chernev, citing Fine's falling victim to Yudovich's opening trap in a Queen's Gambit Declined, noted that in MCO 6, page 150, Fine somehow reversed colors, making it appear that he won the game, whereas he actually lost it. (Moscow 1937.)> Quoted in Winter's Chess Explorations, pg.152.|
|Oct-01-06|| ||Uzi: <Krylenko may have needed to rid the country of a few "bad eggs"... Of course the Bolshevks were not paragons>|
<MVD estimates carried out by order of a special commission of the Communist Party in preparation to the 20th Party Congress, at least 681,692 people were executed during 1937–38 alone, and only accounting for the execution lists signed personally by Stalin from archives of NKVD>
Wasn't it Stalin who joked that you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs?
|Jul-15-07|| ||fm avari viraf: This is akin to Cambridge Spring trap which goes 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 Nbd7 5.cxd5 exd5 6.Nxd5? Nxd5! 7.Bxd8 Bb4+ wins back the Queen & remains a piece up. But how come Fine got into such a trap? Perhaps, he might have thought Yudovich would play 9...gxf6 10.Qxd8+ Kxd8 11.Bxf6+ K-moves & Bxh8 but eventually the whole idea was stranded in his imagination.|
|Jul-16-07|| ||Calli: Even more surprising is that Fine had reached the same position after 7.Nb5 against W. Winter the previous year. See Fine vs W Winter, 1936 Evidently, he spent no time analyzing the variation.|
|May-18-11|| ||fionas88888: This is very similar to the other Queen's Gambit Trap, in fact, they have similar moves! =D|
|Sep-09-11|| ||BiteByBits: white tried to play a opening trick on black
black did the Bb4+ zugzwang check first and white was lost.
|Sep-09-11|| ||Oceanlake: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurel_and_Hardy - Cached
Laurel and Hardy were one of the most popular and critically acclaimed comedy ... Hardy's catchphrase Well, here's another nice mess you've gotten me into! is still widely recognized. ..... film; the misunderstanding stems from the title of their film Another Fine Mess (1930). Numerous variations of the quote appeared on film. ...
|Sep-09-11|| ||HeMateMe: I knew black had to win this game. It was 1937. If Yudovich had lost, he would have been tried at the Lubyanka for "anti soviet activity" and summarily executed.|
|Sep-09-11|| ||al wazir: 8. Qa4 looks pretty good for white.|
|Sep-09-11|| ||Wild Bill: I remember seeing a game that Fine dropped in only seven moves. It was an Alekhine Defense and Fine had Black. He played <3...Nc6??> instead of <3...d6> and got his King's Knight caught in a web of White pawns. In the course of the game, Fine moved only Knights and his opponent moved only pawns.|
I can't the score of the game online.
|Sep-09-11|| ||Infohunter: < Wild Bill: I remember seeing a game that Fine dropped in only seven moves. It was an Alekhine Defense and Fine had Black. He played <3...Nc6??> instead of <3...d6> and got his King's Knight caught in a web of White pawns. In the course of the game, Fine moved only Knights and his opponent moved only pawns.|
I can't the score of the game online.>
Here it is: H Borochow vs Fine, 1932
|Sep-09-11|| ||LIFE Master AJ: Carl Mayet - Daniel Harrwitz [D35]
Berlin (match) 1847
1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 Nbd7 5.cxd5 exd5 6.Nxd5 Nxd5 7.Bxd8 Bb4+ 8.Qd2 Kxd8 9.e4 Re8 10.f3 f5 11.Bd3 Nf4 12.Kd1 Bxd2 13.Kxd2 Nxg2 14.Nh3 fxe4 15.fxe4 Nf6 16.Ng5 Nf4 17.Nf7+ Ke7 18.Ne5 Bd7 19.Rhg1 g6 20.Be2 Rad8 21.Ke3 Ne6 22.d5 Nc5 23.Kd4 b6 24.b4 Nb7 25.Raf1 c6 0-1
|Sep-09-11|| ||LIFE Master AJ: Also - Mayet vs Harrwitz, 1847.|
|Sep-09-11|| ||FrogC: Surely this is not the Semi-Tarrasch? I understood that required the black knight to capture on d5.|
|Sep-09-11|| ||ughaibu: Black cant capture their own pawn, in this variation.|
|Sep-09-11|| ||sfm: Great choice of game. This theme, where one part gives the queen but wins it back with Bb4(or b5)+ is a classic. A bit surprising that Fine fell into that one.
I wouldn't have resigned in that position. Fight, man, fight! There's at least 0.15 points in average left in that position. Nobody ever won or achieved a draw by resigning.|
|Sep-09-11|| ||TheTamale: <ughaibu: Black cant capture their own pawn, in this variation.>|
Ha ha, quite true. I have afeeling that FrogC cut his (or her) teeth on descriptive notation, as did I. As such you always think of each player having a Q4 and Q5 square and never fully adjust to there being only one d5 on the board.
|Sep-09-11|| ||scormus: 0-1 does seem a bit premature, given the state of the B pawns and Reuben's fine endame skiils ....|
<Infohunter> Reuben: "Thats another fine mesh you got me into"
|Sep-09-11|| ||kevin86: A common trap:white's queen is forced to interpose and white is left a piece down. Strange how an author of endgames didn't hold out for one. Black's pawns are in awful shape.|
|Sep-09-11|| ||whiteshark: Ruben, RTFMA!|
|Nov-04-17|| ||tpstar: <Famous american grandmaster Reuben Fine was invited to play in a tournament in Moscow. He was beating all those young soviet players which were at the time very unexperienced. President of the Soviet chess section N. V. Krilenko was very angry with the play of his cadets. "Can't somebody beat Fine" "I will beat him tomorrow"-said young master Yudovich. (that was a M. M. Yudovich Sr., and his son was M. M. Yudovich Jr.) "Which pieces do you have?" "Black" "And how do you excpect to beat Fine?" Yudovich than showed Krilenko one less known game in which Fine beat his oponent by setting him up a trap. But, Ragozin found a mistake in Fine's combination and he invented a counter-combination which he showed to Yudovich. Btw, Fine was a professor of psychology, and Yudovich had to be very careful. Before the move 7... a6! he thought for 20 minutes! Fine looked at him and took the pawn immediately.
After 9... Qxf6! Krilenko entered a room where the tournament was held and after seeing their game gave a witty remark: "What the hell is going on here? Judovich and Fine have prearranged the game!" Fine didn't resign immidiately as it's said here. He played on, but Yudovich won very soon.>|
<Mikhail Yudovich had seen an earlier game of Fine's, where he played 9.Nxf6+ and Fine's opponent played 9...gxf6. Fine then played 10.Qxd8+ Kxd8 11.Bxf6+ winning. While studying the game, Mikhail noticed that Fine's opponent failed to exploit Fine's mistake. Yudovich kept the secret of his discovery to himself. When he later learned that Fine was going to play in the 1937 Moscow tournament, Yudovich decided to play the same opening, and fall into Fine's trap. He took a long time on his moves, so that Fine would not become suspicious. Yudovich played 8...axb5. Fine remembered he had played a similar game where he played 9.Nxf6+ and won beautifully, so he smiled and played 9.Nxf6+. Yudovich looked him in the eyes, and immediately played 9...Qxf6! After a few minutes of thought Fine realized that it was he who had fallen in a trap, and would lose a piece.>
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