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Edmar J Mednis vs Robert James Fischer
US Championship (1963/64), New York, NY USA, rd 1, Dec-15
Italian Game: Classical Variation. Greco Gambit Traditional Line (C54)  ·  0-1
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Sep-02-08  Petrosianic: <Mind you Rybka is like a super-super-GM, so I think Mednis can be forgiven for missing the tactical idea of using the d pawn.>

Maybe, but I'm pretty sure the same line is mentioned in that 1970's collection of all of Fischer's games, that came out when the best computer on the market was an abacus.

May-28-09
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  Eyal: Even after missing the win on move 24, White could have still forced a draw with 38.Ke5 (depriving the white king of e6 and threatening 39.Rh7+ Ke8 40.Nf6+) 38...fxe4 (38...Kg7 39.Rh7+! Kxh7 40.Nf6+) 39.Rh7+ Ke8 40.Rh8+ and perpetual; a few moves later, 42.Ke5 would have still allowed for more active counterplay - 42...Ng2 43.h5! gxh5 44.Kxf5, or 42...Nd3+ 43.Kf6. Mednis started here with some enterprising play - castling long, advancing the d-pawn - but failed to seize his chance at a critical moment, and after that didn't put much resistance in Fischer's way.
Sep-13-11  Ulhumbrus: Instead of 8...d5 Fischer plays 8...Nxe4.
Sep-13-11
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  perfidious: <Petrosianic: ....I'm pretty sure the same line is mentioned in that 1970's collection of all of Fischer's games....>

It was mentioned by Wade/O'Connell with the laconic '24.Nc5!' and no further analysis or evaluation.

Apr-16-12  LIFE Master AJ: Great technique by Bobby.
Apr-16-12  LIFE Master AJ: Amazing that this game has never been featured as a POTD ... or "Game of The Day."
Apr-17-12
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  Phony Benoni: Well, it just needs a good pun. How about "This Way Lies Mednis".
Apr-19-12  LIFE Master AJ: <Phony Benoni> Hey! That's pretty good! (Did you submit it?)
Apr-19-12
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  Phony Benoni: <Life Master AJ> Can't; all out of submissions at the moment.
Apr-21-12  LIFE Master AJ: Mine was: "Fisching in Meddy waters ..." prolly not as good as yours.
Jun-23-14  Ulhumbrus: 35 Rc8 seems inconsistent. Having forced Black's king to withdraw by 34...Kf7 he does not move his king in, taking the ground which Black's king has conceded, by 35 Kd5. On 35 Rc8 Nf4 denies the square d5 to White's king and it looks like a case of he who won't when he may, when he will shall have nay
Aug-08-14  Howard: Would anyone care to post some engine analysis on either 24.Rd5 or 24.Nc5 ?

Apparently, the former would have virtually led to a forced win---or so I've heard.

Mednis, by the way, analyzed the endgame phase of this game back in 1977 in his monthly endgame column.

Nov-10-14  HOTDOG: Mednis suggested 42.Ke5! (instead of 42.Nxa7??) and now 42...Ng2 43.h5 gxh5 44.Kxf5, or 42...Nd3+ 43.Kf6 Nxf2 44.Kxg6 f4 45.Nd4 and White holds on
Apr-03-15  Howard: To repeat the inquiry from last August...did Mednis miss a forced win on the 24th move?
Apr-08-15  A.T PhoneHome: Fischer's chess games with Black pieces are wonderful to watch. I think his play with Black was compared to that of Korchnoi's.

<Maybe, but I'm pretty sure the same line is mentioned in that 1970's collection of all of Fischer's games, that came out when the best computer on the market was an abacus.>

Hah, made my day even if it's an old comment!

Apr-08-15
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  keypusher: <Howard: To repeat the inquiry from last August...did Mednis miss a forced win on the 24th move?>

Yes. Way back when <dukersterdog2> (I guess there was already a <dukesterdog>?) posted <24. Rd5 Rxe7 25. dxe7 Nc6 26. Nd6 Qxd6 27. Rxd6 Re8 28. Rd7 f5 (+3.45)>

I was looking at 24.Rd5 f6, using only my own feeble brain, and wondered if 25.Rc5 was the solution. Black can't take the rook, obviously, and if 25....Rxe7 26.dxe7 Re8 (26....Qf5 27.Rxc8+ Qxc8 28.Nd6) 27.Nd6 Rxe7 28.Rc8+ mates. If 25....Rdd8 26.d7 Nxd7 27.Qxd7 and Black can't take the rook or the queen. But that should be checked with an engine, obviously.

Apr-08-15  RookFile: I know that Fischer sometimes played 1...e5, but it seemed like an odd choice for this game.
Apr-08-15
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  keypusher: <RookFile: I know that Fischer sometimes played 1...e5, but it seemed like an odd choice for this game.>

One of my favorite factoids about Fischer's 11-0 sweep is that it did not include any Sicilians, for either color. Addison was his only other opponent that opened 1.e4, and they played a Ruy Lopez. Kingscrusher did a very good video about it.

W G Addison vs Fischer, 1963

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnR...

May-12-15  jerseybob: keypusher: His game against D.Byrne is a sort of Closed Sicilian/K.I.R., by transposition.
Jul-14-15
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  offramp: This was round one. If Fischer had lost this he might have been shattered and ended up 0-11.
Jul-14-15  DWINS: I had Stockfish 6 and Komodo 9.1 analyze the 24th move and they both give the best line as 24.Rd5 Rxe7 25.dxe7 Nc6 26.Nd6 g6 27.Nxc8 Nxe7 28.Nxe7+ with a white advantage of 2.07.
Aug-10-16  cimatar: How about "Mednis need Medicine!" for pun
Jan-04-17
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  OhioChessFan: "December 1963 (Oh, What a Knight)"
Apr-11-17
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  perfidious: <offramp: This was round one. If Fischer had lost this he might have been shattered and ended up 0-11.>

Mebbe, but Ah would say the odds were agin it!

Apr-11-17
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  tamar: Stop the Mednis!
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