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|Sep-08-13|| ||mistreaver: Sunday. White to play. Insane. 11.?
Material is even. Chaos is on the board. The most obvious moves leave white in a mess.
Since it is Sunday the rook or the bishop will probably be left as cannon fodder. Two most obvious moves apparently don't work:
11 Qxh5+ g6
11 Bxg2 Qh4+
12 Kd1 dxe6
and i would say that black is ok here
Maybe the most obvious move does work.
11 Qxh5+ g6
12 Qh6 gxh1Q
13 Bg5 and now:
14 Qg7 Rf8
15 e7 is winning i think:
14 Bxd8 Kxd8
and i don't see how white can make progress.
Time to see what Chucky did here.
Ahh, Qe5. Just fascinating and too much for me. Well done Vassily.
|Sep-08-13|| ||hcgflynn: Is 16. - Qxh3 playable?|
|Sep-08-13|| ||Nerwal: <Is 16. - Qxh3 playable?>|
No. An engine would tell you 17. ♕g8+ is bad news for black (17... ♔e5 18. ♗f4+!), but even the simple 17. ♘xh3 ♕xh2+ 18. ♘f2 is completely hopeless - material is about equal, black is underdeveloped and white still has a huge attack against a very weak black king.
|Sep-08-13|| ||DarthStapler: I got the first move|
|Sep-08-13|| ||Penguincw: < DarthStapler: I got the first move >|
|Sep-08-13|| ||lost in space: <<Once> (snip) Incredible imagination to think of it in the first place, and accuracy to see the win through to the end. Way way above my pay grade. I came nowhere near.>|
|Sep-08-13|| ||gofer: I saw the first 5 moves and realised that the king hunt was on if black
tried to run. (I even got as far as deciding Black cannot escape on the black squares and so is forced to play Kxe6 allowing white's LSB into the game.) |
But, what I failed to realise and so don't even deserve half a point is that the king hunt is only half the exercise. The queen trap has to be seen to venture down this line and I just didn't see it...
|Sep-08-13|| ||thegoodanarchist: If you had told me after move 10 that material would be even on move 19 I would have said no way.|
|Sep-08-13|| ||chrisowen: Line had heads over ignoble d5 win bad addenda for,
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|Sep-08-13|| ||The Last Straw: 15...♔d6 is a draw.|
|Sep-08-13|| ||jerman88: yes, why not 17. ...kc6? Then white's game may not hold.|
|Sep-08-13|| ||Jimfromprovidence: I'm trying to understand this nasty variation.
13...gxf1Q 14 Kxf1 O-O.
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|Sep-08-13|| ||jahhaj: <jerman88: Why not 17...Kc6?> 18.Qxc8+ wins|
|Sep-08-13|| ||BOSTER: <notyetagm> <This game by Ivanchuk is just absolutely brillianty. Never seen anything like it>.|
I agree only with your second statement, because to find another game how Csom <silly> played here it is very difficult, this is not GM level.
Who sacr. the knight, the rook and even his king only to put the second queen on the "h1" square, without any mobility?
|Sep-08-13|| ||agb2002: White has the bishop pair for a bishop and a knight.|
Black threatens 11... gxh1=Q, 11... gxf1=Q+, 11... Qh4+ and 11... dxe6.
White cannot grab a piece with 11.Qxh5+ g6 (11... Kf8(e7) 12.Bxg2 + -) 12.exd7+ because of 12... Nxd7 and the white queen doesn't have a safe intermediate check.
This suggests 11.exd7+ Nxd7 (else 12.Qxh5+ wins a piece) 12.Bxg2 and White is one pawn ahead. The question is whether there is more in the position. This leads to consider 11.Qxh5+ g6 12.Qe5:
A) 12... gxh1=Q 13.Qxh8+ Ke7 14.Bg5+
A.1) 14... Kxe6 15.Bh3+ Kd6 16.Bf4+
A.1.a) 16... Kc6 17.Qxd8 with the double threat 18.Qc7# and 18.Kf2 followed by Bg2 trapping the new queen. If 17... Qxg1+ 18.Ke2 with the double threat 19.Qc7# and 19.Rxg1.
A.1.b) 16... Ke7 17.Qxh7+ Ke8 (17... Kf6 18.e5#; 17... Kf8 18.Bd6+ and mate soon) 18.Qxg6+ Kf8 (18... Ke7 19.Bd6#) 19.Bd6+ Qe7 20.Bxe7+ Kxe7 21.Qg3 followed by Kf2 and Bg2.
A.2) 14... Kd6 15.Bf4+ Kc6 (15... Kxe6 16.Bh3+ is similar to A.1.b) 16.Qxd8 is similar to A.1.a.
B) 12... O-O 13.Bxg2 + - [B+P].
C) 12... dxe6 13.Qxh8+ followed by Qxh7+, the trade of queens and Bxg2.
|Sep-08-13|| ||dark.horse: De-Fence!
|Sep-08-13|| ||devere: "15...Kd6 is a draw."
16.Qf8+ wins for White.
I saw an interview with Ivanchuk in which he claimed that it wasn't prepared analysis, he figured it all out over the board. Now that is really insane!
|Sep-08-13|| ||Marmot PFL: The most insane thing here is black's opening play. He takes too many risks, and it seems no one has tried the line since at top level.|
11 Qxh5+ g6 12 Qe5 looks very strong, without trying to calculate everything.
12...gf1(Q)+ 13 Kxf1 white threatens Qxh8+ and ed7+
12...gh1(Q) 13 Qxh8+ Ke7 14 Bg5+
12...Qh4+ 13 Ke2 gf1(Q)+ 14 Kxf1 0-0 15 e7 Re8 16 Bg5 and with this powerful passed pawn on e7 white should win.
|Sep-08-13|| ||Marmot PFL: I didn't even calculate the game main line which is very calculated. I 'just assumed' that white was winning after 14 Qxh8+ Ke7 15 Qg7+ Kd6 16 Qf8+ Kc7 17 Bf4+ Qxf4 18 Qxf4 and black's original queen is stuck in the corner (where it ends up lost which I didn't see).|
|Sep-08-13|| ||offramp: It is games like this that make a union in my mind between Ivanchuk & Chicatillo. |
They're like twins!
|Sep-09-13|| ||Abdel Irada: Poor Csom.
All those queens: easy come, easy go.
|Sep-09-13|| ||patzer2: Can't recall a game where White initiates a winning King hunt (aka pursuit combination) with two opposing Queens on the board. Yet here we have it!|
With 11. Qxh5+!! Ivanchuk forces one of the Black Queens to surrender to avoid mate and then uses a follow-up mate threat to trap the second Queen.
I didn't even come close to finding my way through the maze of complications after 11. Qxh5+!!
I could see the first five moves in the 11. Qxh5+!! variation, but after 15. Qg7+ Kxe6 had no idea how to pursue the exposed King with two Black Queens still on the board.
I would have been content to go for 11. exd7+ Nxd7+ (not 11...Qxd7+ 12. Qxh5+ or 11...Bxd7+ 12. Qxh5+ ) 12. Bxg2 Qh4+ 13. Kf1 Nf4 14. Bxf4 Qxf4 15. Qe6+ with only a slight advantage.
Tip of the hat to GM Ivanchuk for this brilliant game!
|Sep-09-13|| ||Abdel Irada: <patzer2>: Rather than 13. ...Nf4, might Black not try 13. ...Ndf6 14. Qxc5, Rf8 with counterplay? White may still stand better, but I think his margin is less than in your variation.|
|Sep-09-13|| ||patzer2: <AI> In this line after 13...Ndf6 (position below)|
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White traps the Black Queen with 14. Qe5+ Kf7 15. Bg5 .
|Sep-09-13|| ||Abdel Irada: <patzer2>: Ehh, what kind of patzer are you? :-)|
Yes. That does look a lot more powerful than grabbing the c-pawn.
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