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Garry Kasparov vs Anatoly Karpov
"Too Klose for Komfort" (game of the day Dec-08-2016)
Kasparov - Karpov World Championship Match (1990), Lyon FRA, rd 20, Dec-15
Spanish Game: Closed Variations. Flohr System (C92)  ·  1-0
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Dec-08-16  Howard: Most sources seem to believe that 25...Qe8 was the losing move, though that's hard to see at first glance (or at second glance, for that matter).
Dec-08-16
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  Once: It's another example of Kasparov doing his rook thing.

What's Kasparov's rook thing? I'm glad you asked. It's simply this - in nearly every game Kasparov tries to get his rooks working before his opponent. He castles quickly, puts one rook on an open file, gets his pieces off the back rank so that the rooks can talk to each other, doubles his rooks, infiltrates along the open or half open file.

All basic stuff. His opponents know all this stuff too, but somehow Kasparov seems to get there just that little bit quicker. Here's the position after 16...Nd7. It's white to play and be Kasparov:


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17. Ra3! f5 18. Rae3!


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Never mind the queenside. Don't worry about 18...f4. Kasparov is Kasparov and that means getting the rooks working before the other guy.

Sure, he does other stuff too. But nearly always there are those rook moves.

Paul Morphy was probably the world's best ever player of Nc3 (as white). Kasparov was the best player of Re1 or Rd1.

I know, I know, that sounds silly. But play through their games and you'll see what I mean.

Dec-08-16
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  Diocletian: I am often impatient with puns on players' names, but this one has Klass.
Dec-08-16  RookFile: It's so old it's sometimes forgotten, but a basic defensive idea is to exchange pieces to lessen white's attacking chances. Look at the position after 20. b3 and try not to get a migraine figuring out all the bad things white can do to black. The whole thing is too complex unless you've got reams of computer analysis squirreled away in your head.
Dec-09-16  vsiva1: The main point here is finally 41. Bd5 taking Karpov's Knight ending up also with Check; may be Karpov is unlucky here with this check or Kasparov's positional skill? otherwise Karpov could have taken his Queen in b1.
May-03-17  BerkErdemoglu: I'm surprised Kasparov didn't see the mate in 6 moves: 34. Nf7+ Qxh7 35. Qxh6+ Bh7 36. Rxa8 Nf6 37. Rxf8+ Qxh8 38. Qxh8+ Ng8 39. Qg7+#1-0
May-03-17
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  The Boomerang: "This is a beautiful win by the second greatest chess player of all time."

Yep Fischer was better, all that time at the top, multiple title defenses like Garry, 2 2820+ tournament performances compared to Garry's 17.

Strong opposition like Karpov....wait he had Spassky. Fischer had the 70-72 great run and thats it.

Dont insult Kasparov with such ridiculous claims. A few streaks and one world champs cycle wont get you the greatest ever honour. I dont remember Fischer taking on 4 2600 gms in a simul and destroying them 7-1.

May-03-17  BerkErdemoglu: Karpov should've played b1=Q or b1=R
May-03-17
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  beatgiant: <BerkErdemoglu> <Karpov should've played b1=Q or b1=R> When do you think that was possible? Move 38 or 39, White would've replied Bxb1+.
May-25-17  Coutinho: Kasparov missed Rxg6!
May-29-17  buhf: comp:
41/73 +3.10 26.Kh2
41/73 +2.69 26.Nxh6
Jul-29-17  Toribio3: Karpov should have played b4 in move 12; in this way, he could have prevented the killer rook from moving to a3.
Jul-29-17
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  Sally Simpson: Hi Toribio3,

They were playing then known theory up until move 18. Clock times after move 18 - Kasparov 10 minutes, Karpov 14 minutes. Karpov then spent 23 minutes on move 19.

17.Ra3 was played against Karpov in Timman vs Karpov, 1990 so he knew of the idea.

Hi Coutinho:

Kasparov missed Rxg6!

I assume you mean here.


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37.Rxg6.

Yes it mates however since move 32 Karpov was down to 3 minutes to make move 40. Kasparov blitz'd him using only two minutes to play moves 33-41.

Aug-18-17
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  The Boomerang: "This is a beautiful win by the second greatest chess player of all time."

Depends what you mean by greatest. Kasparov outperforms Fischer for length of domination by far. In what way is Fischer superior?

His 6-0 scores?

I mean Kasparov has 50-0 in decisive games vs Bareev,Shirov, Adams and Gelfand.

17 2820+ tournament performances compared to Fischers 2 'chessmetrics'.

5 world championship titles defenses to Fischer's zero.

Can someone explain objectively how Fischer can be considered greater?

I mean Karpov also trounced Spassky by an even better margin than Fischer in 1974 and was apparently playing a stronger Spassky. So is Fischer entire reputation based on 3 matches with Larsen, Taimanov and Petrosian?

Of the 3 super tournaments Fischer played in he didnt win any.

I love Bobby but Kasparov's achievments far outweigh Fischer's. And dont give me this he studied alone crap that can never be objectively measured.

Aug-18-17
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  HeMateMe: Some home cooking from Chef Kasparov.
Oct-02-17
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  Troller: <The Boomerang: "This is a beautiful win by the second greatest chess player of all time.">

And all the more impressive, seeing as it was done against the greatest chess player of all time.

Oct-31-17  Howard: It's just hard to believe that Karpov's position was really completely lost after 25...Qe8. Kasparov certainly seems to think so, but the game is so complicated, one can't help but think that Karpov could have at least put up better resistance at some point.
Mar-10-18
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  thegoodanarchist: I don't think there will ever be another chess rivalry as great as Kasparov & Karpov!
Mar-10-18
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  thegoodanarchist: <Troller: <The Boomerang: "This is a beautiful win by the second greatest chess player of all time.">

And all the more impressive, seeing as it was done against the greatest chess player of all time.>

Great quip! Very funny! (even though I don't agree)

Dec-10-18
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  PawnSac: < RookFile: The whole thing is too complex unless you've got reams of computer analysis squirreled away in your head. >

but back in 1990 they didn't have programs like today. Anything they had was far to weak for reliable analysis. Those guys had to work it out on paper. I remember back in the 80;s when i would use double wide ledger paper and have pages of analysis. It was crazy.

Dec-10-18
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  PawnSac: < The Boomerang: I love Bobby but Kasparov's achievements far outweigh Fischer's. And don't give me this he studied alone crap that can never be objectively measured. >

For sure. In the 72 match in several of the games he was using the latest and greatest of Russian GM analysis! He had several people providing him data from chess mags and papers from Europe etc. How else would he be prepared to counter their prep?!

Dec-10-18  Howard: Karpov also surpassed Fischer, as far as his chess accomplishments---no question.
Dec-10-18  john barleycorn: <Howard: Karpov also surpassed Fischer, as far as his chess accomplishments---no question.>

Yeah, with a Fischer "retired" it is possible to surpass his chess accomplishments ... no question.

Dec-10-18  Howard: True enough, but Karpov had, arguably, surpassed Bobby by about 1990 or so, in my view.

Bobby was still very much alive at the time. Not only that, it was obviously HIS decision to go into retirement after 1972---ya can't hold that against Karpov or Kasparov.

Dec-10-18  john barleycorn: <Howard: True enough, but Karpov had, arguably, surpassed Bobby by about 1990 or so, in my view.>

Yeah, 18 years after Fischer stopped playing. I am not holding anything against Karpov or Kasparov but any comparison against an inactive Fischer misses the point.

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