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|May-23-12|| ||Troller: <FSR: You wonder why no one tried the Berlin Defense to the Ruy Lopez (3...Nf6) against Karpov. The only people who seem to have played it are a couple of guys in simuls, who didn't play it too well (no 4...Nxe4 for starters). http://bit.ly/jqDK8i>|
I'm fairly certain Tony Miles tried it and got crushed somewhere around 1990. But before Kramnik-Kasparov the line was of course a bit of an oddity, unlike today.
|May-23-12|| ||DanielBryant: I have always found the cold logic of this kind of slow squeeze as aesthetically squeezing as a queen sacrifice, if not more so.|
|May-23-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: Classic game by WC Karpov!
|May-23-12|| ||FSR: <Troller> Some of the Berlin games don't show up in a search for Ruy Lopez, Berlin Defense, but appear instead under C67. Yes, Miles played it against Karpov, as did Korchnoi (as <perfidious> pointed out), and a few others. Mephisto (the computer program) played a weird line and got a draw. http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches... Given how many times people played openings that were almost suicidal against Karpov (for example, the French Defense if you're not named Korchnoi), I would've thought the Berlin would have gotten more of a workout.|
|May-23-12|| ||HeMateMe: <In The Wolf's Lair>|
|May-23-12|| ||kevin86: The bishop has been sitting at far away a7 for a long time,but when it does move,there will be Hell to pay.|
|May-23-12|| ||HeMateMe: Two Karpov games are famous for one strange move, or position. Here, the 24. B-a7. Then, there is the Miles 1. a3 game. |
Is there a third game of Anatoly Karpov, known for a bizarre move or position?
|May-23-12|| ||Jim Bartle: Can't remember which, but there was one against Kasparov where, fairly late in the game and as white, he had all his pieces back on the first rank.|
|May-23-12|| ||Jim Bartle: Here it is, after white's 22nd: Karpov vs Kasparov, 1993|
|May-23-12|| ||FSR: <HeMateMe> 24.Nbl in Karpov vs Spassky, 1974. Surely there must be others that escape me at the moment.|
|May-23-12|| ||PivotalAnorak: How about this one: Kasparov vs Karpov, 1984|
- position after 20... Qa5
- endgame after 40. Rxb5
|May-23-12|| ||offramp: Definitely an overrated game but that is not Karpov's fault. If you play through it once you will not want to play through it a second time.|
|May-23-12|| ||RookFile: <FSR: You wonder why no one tried the Berlin Defense to the Ruy Lopez (3...Nf6) against Karpov. >|
Probably the worst defense you could play against him. Plays right into his endgame strengths. Far better to mix it up.
|May-23-12|| ||drnooo: coming to wilsons defense, since some of us dont read a lot of posts here, for one, I, never saw that quote from Bot about Kar, so it struck me as wow almost like Fischers assessment of Lasker
I have heard that Bob changed that critique eventually but never saw anything concrete about it, any details on the Botvinnik reassessment???|
|May-23-12|| ||drnooo: I have heard of course about the tabula rasa approach of Karpov, the two or three little move combos, best moves etc, how he played but to some extent that was also Korchnoi, wasnt it, just hammering things out as they went along: and it certainly worked against Fischer. So perhaps Karpov might well have been the one best suited against Fischer after all.|
|May-23-12|| ||Everett: Berlin vs Karpov? A better "what if..." would be if Karpov played the the Berlin vs Kasparov in the 80's instead of putting his head in the lions mouth with the Zaitsev.|
And playing the Alapin or Rossolimo vs Kasparov's Sicilian. He seemed to do fine with it in '87, with colors reversed and a tempo down.
|May-23-12|| ||maelith: <offramp: Definitely an overrated game but that is not Karpov's fault. If you play through it once you will not want to play through it a second time.>|
How can an ordinary player told this when many GM are impressed by this game by Karpov..
|May-23-12|| ||HeMateMe: Such a linear position. In the game JB mentioned, all of white's pieces (7) are on the back rank at move 22.|
|May-23-12|| ||Jim Bartle: Of course there's also the legendary 11...Bd6 in Christiansen vs Karpov, 1993|
Probably not what we were looking for, though.
|May-24-12|| ||eternaloptimist: This is a good example of Karpov's prophylactic play! He constricted Unzicker's pieces so much that his pieces didn't have much mobility at all. W/ good control of the a-file & the weak s on f6 & h6, the shaky situation of the on g7 & the inevitable g4 looming, Unzicker resigned to save himself from further suffering. Classic Karpov!!|
|May-24-12|| ||King Death: < RookFile: <FSR: You wonder why no one tried the Berlin Defense to the Ruy Lopez (3...Nf6) against Karpov. >
Probably the worst defense you could play against him. Plays right into his endgame strengths. Far better to mix it up.>|
Playing the Berlin Wall probably wouldn't have worked out great I agree but Black isn't forced into that either, there's 3...Nf6 4.0-0 Ne4 5.d4 Nd6 6.Bc6 bc 7.de Nb7 and you get a middlegame even though it's a little better for White.
|May-26-12|| ||SChesshevsky: By coincedence I used this game as an example for Karpov's book "Find the Right Plan" on my blog.|
There's some related notes by Gligoric for anyone that's interested.
|Nov-07-12|| ||FlintEastwood: That game is the embodiment of Karpovian style! Pure torture, Karpov is a sadist.|
|Nov-22-12|| ||kingscrusher: I have video annotated this game here:
|Aug-31-13|| ||thegoodanarchist: All I can say about Karpov's play here is "Nice".|
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