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|Aug-31-06|| ||al wazir: <Domdaniel>: Your suggestion 15. Ne4 is interesting, but it puts white two pieces down. Black could give up the ♖ and not be too badly off.|
The reason white had so many resources is that his opponent's development was retarded (eight of black's first ten moves were ♙ moves).
Ehlvest at 15 also was not yet the player he later became.
|Aug-31-06|| ||dravid: amazing game by the young garry!!!|
|Aug-31-06|| ||Castle In The Sky: If Ehlvest had left the building, he would never have lost.|
|Aug-31-06|| ||Boomie: <nuwanda> At age 15, GK's rating rose from about 2600 to 2700. Yes he was a bit stronger than all of us...put together...lol.|
|Aug-31-06|| ||Rocafella: <Boomie> Nonsense, I have a FIDE Rating of 2745! :P|
|Aug-31-06|| ||Domdaniel: <al wazir: <Domdaniel>: Your suggestion 15. Ne4 is interesting, but it puts white two pieces down. Black could give up the and not be too badly off.>
No - surely White would be only one piece down - he still has Nd4 and two bishops; and there's no easy way for Black to protect the Ra8, so taking it would leave White an exchange ahead.
Actually, this line is even stronger than I thought - eg, 15.Ne4 dxe4 16.Bxe4 Ra7 17.Nxe6! is crushing. Even the 'discovered check' I mentioned earlier (after 15.Ne4 dxe4 16.Bxe4 Nf6 17.exf6 Rxh5? 18.fxg7 Kd7?) is actually mate in 2 with 19.Nc6+|
I tried this out on Fritz - to my surprise it said Black is effectively lost after 15.Ne4 dxe4? - and alternatives like 15...Nc8 aren't so hot either.
I still feel there must be a deep defensive line - beyond my capacity and over the engine horizon - but I just don't see one. Maybe I was overestimating these two 15-yr-olds after all...
|Aug-31-06|| ||Albertan: Ehlvest's problems in this game appear to have started on move 13 when he played 13...d5? Instead he could have played 13...Nf8 with a possible continuation being:|
13... Nf8 14. Qg4 d5 15. Bd3 Bb7 16. Bxb5+!? axb5 17. Ncxb5 Ra6 18. Nd6+ Rxd6 19. exd6 Nc6 20.Nxc6 Bxc6 21. Rde1 d4
|Sep-01-06|| ||euripides: 8...h6 is not found elsewhere in this database. The usual approach, which was introduced (as Honza said above) by Polugavsky and has been intensively analysed, is 8...dxe5 9 fxe5 Qc7. I don't know the current state of play on the theory of that line. |
On <13...Nf8> I like the look of 14 Qf3 e.g. 14....Ra7 15 exd6. 14...d5 looks like the game though 15 Nf5 may then be worth consdering.
|Sep-02-06|| ||Albertan: <euripides: The usual approach, which was introduced (as Honza said above) by Polugavsky and has been intensively analysed, is 8...dxe5 9 fxe5 Qc7. I don't know the current state of play on the theory of that line.>|
Hi euripedes. The current state of play in this line is that after 9...Qc7 the most often played continuation is 10.exf6 Qe5+ 11.Be2 Qxg5 12.Qd3 Qxf6 13.Rf1 Qe5 14.Rd1 Ra7 15.Nf3 Qc7 16.Nf5 f5 17.Qd4 Qe7 18.Bh5+ g6 19.Qxh8 Qxg4 as played in Ebenfelt- Unander SWE-ch 1984,Hellers-Polugaevsky Haninge 1989, Koch-Gallagher Lyon op 1993, and Castelfranchi-Leroy Budapest FS07 IM, 1994.
|Sep-05-06|| ||patzer2: Yeah it looks like Elvis (Ehlvest) left the building early with 8...h6?, and Kasparov was the one saying "thank you, thank you very much!"|
After 9. Bh4! this game is pretty much a foot note in the opening as to why not to play 8...h6? Kasparov's followup 15. Rhf1! initiates a decisive combination to exploit Black's lack of development and helplessly exposed King position.
|Sep-05-06|| ||patzer2: Instead of 8...h6?, Black should play 8...dxe5 9. fxe5 Qc7! = as in B Savchenko vs I Cheparinov, 2005.|
|Nov-04-07|| ||sallom89: Kasparov was being paul morphy wanna be :p
he did let his opponent to feel that he can advance and attack.
|Mar-29-08|| ||sallom89: <sallom89: Kasparov was being paul morphy wanna be :p
he did let his opponent to feel that he can advance and attack.>|
that sounded childish...
|May-15-09|| ||HeMateMe: The opening itself seems pretty ugly for black. Knight, stuck on h7, in a blown open king side? Looks horrible, and thats apparently the desired setup.|
|May-15-09|| ||Ychromosome: This game makes me very happy.|
|May-15-09|| ||hedgeh0g: What a game! Look at how many pawn moves Black plays in his first 9 moves!|
|May-15-09|| ||whiteshark: <EmperorAtahualpa> Thanks for explaining the pun a few years in advance... :D|
|May-15-09|| ||kevin86: Why should black resign here? He is playing the young chess phenom (and future champion) and is a knight and two pawns to the bad.|
|May-15-09|| ||hedgeh0g: <kevin86> Didn't you just answer your own question?|
|May-15-09|| ||ungeneral: <kevin86> It is worse than that, it's mate to follow soon|
|May-15-09|| ||wgb: The same thing I noticed and was about to post...Nd6+...what am I missing?|
|May-15-09|| ||WhiteRook48: Disaster|
|May-15-09|| ||AnalyzeThis: You pretty much have to be a lunatic to play this way against Kasparov, but in Ehlvest's defense, Kasprov was still a junior then, not yet at his peak strength.|
|May-16-09|| ||kevin86: my post was a bit of sarcasm. I guess it was a poor one.|
|Dec-22-13|| ||AlbertodaCruz: Merry Christmas and that in 2014 our dreams become realities.
Thank you all for this wonderful 2013 for the development of our beloved Chess|
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