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|Feb-23-08|| ||chessdude2: Got a 70/60, wonder if that's any good in comparison to others.|
|Feb-29-08|| ||RogelioG: i got a 68 that almost up there with yours|
|Mar-29-08|| ||Whitehat1963: So, what's the finish? Do the pawns simply march up unopposed?|
|Mar-29-08|| ||mistreaver: <Whitehat1963: So, what's the finish? Do the pawns simply march up unopposed?>
Yes the finish would be pure technique.
Black king is open and immobilized.His rook is forced for a life on back rank and knight must defend g7. So bishop is the only free piece and he can't do much against queen and 4-1 majority on queenside
|Mar-29-08|| ||tpstar: 39. Qg4+ Kh7 40. Qxe6! fxe6 41. f7 Rxe7 42. f8=Q wins a piece.|
Then the Pawns simply march up unopposed. =)
|Mar-29-08|| ||MichAdams: <awsome combination:
Qg4 Kh8 (or Kh7) 40.Qxe6!! and if fxe6, then 41.f7! Rxe7 42.f8=Q+ Kh7 43. Qxe6 and it's an extremely huge advantage for white.>
That works, but even simpler is 39.Qg4+ and 40.Qa4 forking Rook and Bishop.
|Apr-09-08|| ||MiCrooks: Actually the move before you could play Qh4+ and win a piece, but you let the king at the pawns so Qh5+ then Qg4+ is probably better. He does have Nc7 defending but after Qd7 the knight drops. Now in the meantime he could get his king back out to g6 so I take it back...Qh4+ if you are going for this line is as good as anything.|
You still have to face Q vs two pieces but you clean up the queenside pawns in the process.
|May-05-08|| ||Tweedledee: I think at the end there after the qg4 check whites idea is to go qa4 threatening bishop and rook. After black protects with oh say nc7 then comes qh4+ followed by something like qg3 picking up the knight.|
|May-06-08|| ||cydmd: Itīs very clear how to win a small piece from Black. Some of you have given some lines about it. But, although Black is lost, winning takes time and accurate play. For example, 39.Qg4+ Kh7 40.Qa4 Nc7 41.Qh4+ Kg6 42.Qg3+ Kxf6 43.Qxc7 Rxe7. Queen x rook+bishop with no pawn advantage (number and structure - Black is superior on the queen side and White on the king side), is not a simple ending. Evidently, the mobility of the White queen is key to win the game.|
Iīve been thinking in a shorter way. The idea is to win a piece keeping at least one of the advanced pawns. For example, going with 39.Qg4+ Kh7 40.Qa4 Nc7 41.Qe4+ Kh6 (41... Kh8? 42.Qh4+ and mate follows easily) 42.Qf5 Ne6 43.g4 (threatening mate in h5) Ng7 44.g5+ Kh5 45.fxg7 winning very clearly (note that e7 cannot be taken). It seems that 42.Qf5 is the winning move, but it gives some relief to Black. Anyway, I didnīt see any move that at least holds Black position for some time.
|Jun-14-08|| ||ravel5184: I played this on Guess-The-Move and got 66 points. Is that good?|
The Same Mover-Guesser as Tal vs. Lutikov, 1964
|Aug-14-08|| ||nuwanda: i think in the final position a clear and easy way to win is:|
39. Qg4+ Kh7 40. Qa4 Nc7 41. Qd7
and what should black play ?
41. ... Rc8 42. Qxc7 Rxc7 43. e8Q Kh7 44. Qe5 and over
41. ... Kg6 42. Qxc7 Kxf6 43. Qd6+ followed by Qd7 picking up another piece
|Aug-21-08|| ||Manic: I wish people could read the comments above or at least acknowledge/respond to them. That's the whole point of the kibitzing area, to discuss things. It is continually annoying that people don't bother to read the comments above if there is only 1 or 2 pages of kibitzing.|
Yes, 39.Qg4+ and 40.Qa4 does work, but the suggestion above of 39.Qg4+ and 40.Qxe6 leads to a much simpler win as white almost has to do no thinking at all but just push the pawns to victory.
|Sep-07-08|| ||tpstar: Some of these final positions have more than one winning line. I agree that 39. Qg4+ & 40. Qxe6! is simplest and ultimately quickest, and I originally discounted 40. Qa4 due to 40 ... Nc7, but others saw further with 41. Qh4+ & 41. Qg3+ or else 41. Qd7, both with easy wins.|
<I wish people could read the comments> There is always the possibility that posts/posters are being ignored. =)
|Nov-08-08|| ||gambitfan: ENDGAME 38... ♔g8 1-0
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White to play 39 ?
|Jan-15-09|| ||blacksburg: i got 79 on guess-the-move! i think it's too easy to break par on guess-the-move, at least on the 2 games i've done. i missed a bunch of moves...|
|Feb-10-09|| ||dumbgai: Sigh, only 63 for me. I got several critical moves wrong and got negative points.|
|Jun-06-09|| ||Eduardo Leon: IMHO, the best finish would have been
<39. Qg4+ Kh7 40. Qe4+!>
The idea is to send the king back to the 8th rank before forking the bishop and rook, so black can't take white's f6 and e7 pawns as a compensation. Of course, black's best reply is not to accept this passively. He can resist a little bit more with...
<40. ... Kh6 41. Qa4 Nc7>
For a moment, it seems like black has succeded in forcing white to give up his advanced pawns as a compensation for the lost piece. But...
<42. Qf4+ Kg6 43. Qxc7>
... he realizes that, after 43. ... Kxf6 44. Qxa7 black loses either his bishop or his queenside pawns.
|Jun-25-09|| ||Check It Out: Yes, 63 for me as well. I missed several key moves, 21.Ne4 e.g., though most probably missed that beauty. I also missed the nice zwischenzug 24.Qg4+ which allows the capture of the black h pawn with a tempo gaining check after the queen capture. Sigh, I missed 34.e6, such a great move. I considered it but chickened out with 34.g4.|
|Jun-25-09|| ||WhiteRook48: Or 39 Qg4+ Kh7 White 40?|
|Jan-07-10|| ||Fusilli: In On My Great Predecessors, Kasparov refers to this game (5th of his match with Beliavsky, with the score 2-2 up to then) in the chapter on Botvinnik. He says he showed Botvinnik his preparation to improve over the third game (Kasparov vs Beliavsky, 1983), in which Beliavsky equalized comfortably. Kasparov's improvement was 12.Bf5!|
Black is surprisingly tied up after that move. Kasparov says that after 12...Nxe5 13.dxe5 Ne4? 14.Nxd5! wins. And 12...cxd4?! 13.Nxd7! Nxd7 14.Bxe7 Qxe7 15.Qxd4 is "unpleasant" for Black.
Kasparov gives a ?! to 14...Nc7. "It was more tenacious to play 14...g6 15.Bc2!" He concedes that his home analysis ended with 16...Bc8 17.e6! winning, but Beliavsky played 16...Qd8 and "it all proved to be not so simple".
By move 20 Black is in deep trouble, though. 20...Bxf4 is no better than the move Beliavsky chose (20...g6). Kasparov gives 20...Bxf4 21.exf4 d4 22.Ne4 Bxe4 23.Bxe4 Rb8 24.f5 Re8 25.f4 f6 26.Qxh4 fxe5 27.f6! (diagram)
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Or if 20...Qe7 21.Ne4! Bxf4 22.exf4 Ne6 23.Nf6+! gxf6 24.Qxh4 and White wins (diagram)
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In the end, Kasparov writes, White spent "only 50 minutes on the game".
Clearly, home prep paid off handsomely!
|Jan-07-10|| ||Fusilli: BTW, in game 7 Beliavsky chose 10...Ne4, and equalized without much trouble: Kasparov vs Beliavsky, 1983.|
|Apr-29-13|| ||Tim Delaney: In the final position, simplest of all is 39. Qg4+ Kh7 (Kh8? 40, Qxe6 and white queens with check) 40. Qe4+ Kg8 (same idea) 41. Qc6 and wins quickly as the rook can only be saved momentarily.|
|Jun-29-13|| ||phil6875: This is the quickest winning line,
39. Qg4+ Kh7 40. Qa4 Nc7 41. Qe4+ Kh6 42. h4 Rg8 43. Qf4+ Kh7 44. Qf5+ Kh6 45. g4 Rxg4 46. Qxg4 Ne8 47. Qg8 Bb5 48. Qxf7
|May-15-18|| ||schizoidman: Another idea might be:
39.Qg4+ Kh7 40.Qa4 Nc7 41.Qd7 Kg6 42. Qxc7 Kxf6 43.Qxa7
Now the Bishop must move and white gets both of black's king side pawns. If the bishop goes to d3 we get:
Bd3 44. Qxb6+ Kxe7 45. Qxc5+
and no matter where the king moves, White forks K and B, picking up the bishop. That leaves Bc8 as the only safe place for the bishop. White has 3 passed pawns and black has no counterplay. The connected Q-side pawns just roll up the board.
|Nov-24-18|| ||HeMateMe: Great game, multiple piece sac by kasparov, the '83 Candidates match with Beliavsky.|
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