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Andre Lilienthal vs Jose Raul Capablanca
"Andre the Giant" (game of the day Oct-12-2007)
Hastings (1934/35), Hastings ENG, rd 5, Jan-01
Nimzo-Indian Defense: Saemisch Variation. Accelerated (E24)  ·  1-0
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Sep-11-10
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  Eric Schiller: Part of the change is that rabbits are extinct. Used to be that every tournament had a weak local player serving as cannon fodder. You could count on them being hunted down with fine attacks and combinations. But then organizers got obsessed with "category" and stopped inviting them. Too bad.

Being a rabbit was not terrible, as your expectation was to lose almost every game. I was a rabbit at Peterborough 1986 but got 2.5/9 including a draw with GM Speelman! In fact, I like being the lowest rated in an event.

At Reykjavik 1986, an event filled with GMs, I was #74 out of 74 (I was supposed to be an arbiter, but they wanted an even number of players) and finished tied for 28th, ahead of some GMs and basically earned my FM rating. I had lots of interesting games and got to go over them with Mikhail Tal!! You can see those games on my profile page.

Sep-12-10  LIFE Master AJ: Good job, Eric!

BTW, you are right about "rabbits." Todays <SUPER-Tournaments> have no low category players at all.

Sep-12-10  LIFE Master AJ: <Sep-11-10 Shams: Don't ever change, AJ.>

Since I consider myself a good person ... I'll take that as a compliment! :)

Sep-12-10
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  Phony Benoni: Just thinking. Outside of Candidates events, did Fischer ever play in what we would consider today a "Super" tournament, without rabbits? The closest I can think of was Santa Monica 1966 (Second Piatigorsky Cup), but even that had players like Donner and Panno who were strong GMs, but not of the top class.
Sep-12-10  LIFE Master AJ: Big difference between Panno ... and Donner.
Sep-12-10
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  Phony Benoni: No doublt about that. But I shouldn't rely on what's left of my memory. Panno played in the 1st Piatigorsky Cup in 1963, but not 1966. The players at Santa Monica were:

Donner
Fischer
Ivkov
Larsen
Najdorf
Petrosian
Portisch
Reshevsky
Spassky
Unzicker

Fischer, Larsen, Petrosian, Portisch, Spassky were elite players at the time; Reshevsky and Najdorf past their prime, but what primes!; Ivkov and Unzicker maybe just a bit short of the top. And Donner.

Sep-12-10  LIFE Master AJ: Agreed.

And Reshevsky later tied for first at a U.S. Championship ...

My last memory of Reshevsky was around 1990 or 1991 ... he was playing in a tournament. Some young upstart was dragging the game on forever, probably in the hope that Reshevksy would tire and lose ...

Reshevsky has a hat on, a small sort of thing, like golfers in the 1930's wore ...

I have his autograph in one of my books, I believe.

Sep-12-10
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  Phony Benoni: My close encounters with Reshevsky:

Bastrikov vs Shamkovich, 1958

Sep-12-10
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  keypusher: <Just thinking. Outside of Candidates events, did Fischer ever play in what we would consider today a "Super" tournament, without rabbits?>

Even the candidates...I looked at Chessmetrics and saw that the 1959 event included Olafsson (#20) and Benko (#29). In 1962 Filip was #18 and Benko was #38.

Of the ten players at Santa Monica, three were in the top 10.

http://db.chessmetrics.com/CM2/Sing...

Like Eric Schiller, I think the modern practice of having only elite players in supertournaments is kind of a shame.

Sep-12-10
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  Phony Benoni: <keypusher> Well, they did have seven of the top 20, and the rest of the top 10 were Soviet players; Fischer was the only outsider in that group. Though I'm sure the players wouldn't have minded staging the USSR Championship in Santa Monica, the organizers must have wanted more diversity.

Najdorf's #12 at that stage surprises me. I wouldn't have thought him any stronger than Reshevsky, who was #27. Donner's #48 meant he was not a rabbit in the traditional sense.

Portisch, Ivkov, and Spassky are the only players still with us. 45 years is a long time.

Sep-13-10  LIFE Master AJ: Larsen passed away just a little while back ...

***sigh***

another chess legend has departed.

Feb-06-11  Eduardo Bermudez: e.f6 !!!!!!!!!!
Feb-12-11  LIFE Master AJ: http://www.ajschess.com/lifemastera...
Jul-29-12  SeanAzarin: Capa's mistake was on the 19th move. If he plays 19... N/2xP, folowed by 20... O-O, he secures his position satisfactorily. Once he played 19... QxKP??? the K file opened up and the pins along it wiped him out in a hurry.
Jul-29-12
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  perfidious: < SeanAzarin: Capa's mistake was on the 19th move. If he plays 19... N/2xP, folowed by 20... O-O, he secures his position satisfactorily....>

This points up the need for White to keep the pressure on and not let his opponent settle. One idea which comes to mind off the top of my head is 20.Rad1.

Mar-02-14  LIFE Master AJ: http://www.ajschess.com/lifemastera...

My web page ... on this game. (I had to re-do it, many of the links were broken, and none of the diagrams or the cross-table were showing up.)

Super-amazing. To beat the great Capa is one thing, to defeat him with a Q-sack ... in a near miniature is a whole 'nother ball of freakin' wax!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mar-15-14
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  wordfunph: "He smiled, held out his hand and congratulated me."

- GM Andre Lilienthal (on Capablanca after the game)

Source: Champion's Friend, Friendship's Champion - Lilienthal's Hundred Best Games by George Negyesi

Mar-15-14  LIFE Master AJ: I won't re-post the link, but someone e-mailed me ... they said the web page had "exploded." (It was too big to fit his screen.)

So I redid the page ... again.

Mar-16-14
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  offramp: When you look at a list of players in a tournament that you have entered, and you can't see who the rabbit is - it's YOU!
Mar-16-14
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  perfidious: <offramp> That's what we say at the poker table as well.
Mar-16-14
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  offramp: Here is one of my favourite chess stories.

Timman writes (in his book on Curaçao 1962, page 27):

<After Geller and Keres had agreed a lightning-fast draw in Geller vs Keres, 1962, Kortschnoi turns to Geller, who had played the white pieces, and asks him, "You make draws without playing. Who do you think to beat in this way?"

Whereupon Geller replies, "YOU!">

Very funny! Good old Geller!

Mar-16-14  Petrosianic: <Timman writes (in his book on Curaçao 1962, page 27):>

Timman got that story straight from Korchnoi's book, "Chess Is My Life".

May-05-14  Eduardo Bermudez: From 1951 until 1960 he was Tigran Petrosian's trainer. When Bobby Fischer noticed Lilienthal in the audience at his 1992 return match against Boris Spassky, Fischer greeted him with the remark "Pawn e5 takes f6
May-05-14
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  offramp: He is the auntie of the Australian player Lillienthomson.
May-05-14
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  maxi: Capa's 9...♗xc4 is a move unworthy of the younger Cuban genius. He forces a line that: 1. gives up his developed B for White's not developed ♗; 2. exchanges White's weak Pawn; 3. forces White to place his ♕ in a good square; 4. gives White a powerful center.

It is exactly the kind of moves he warns against in his books. He wasn't quite himself those latter days...

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