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Oct-17-04
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| crafty: 32.  f2  xc2+ 33.  d2 f5+ 34. f4  e5  (eval -4.70; depth 13 ply; 100M nodes) |
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| f1list: Hey no fair !!! you tricked me ... |
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Oct-17-04
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| Knight13: Yes! 24. Bxh7+! I got it right! It's a sample problem. But who would put a puzzle with "white to move" and black wins? Not fair! |
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Oct-17-04
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| tpstar: Add me to the Snare List. You clever fellows are just getting us prepared for Trick or Treat, right?! |
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| Oct-17-04 |
| catfriend: I admit, I was snared as well:) |
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| Oct-17-04 |
| Chesspatch: Ahhhh, the humiliation of being tricked!!!!! My pride prohibits me from showing my face here for the next two days.... not. |
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| Oct-17-04 |
| Calchexas: That's mean. I saw 24.Qh5 and decided that it worked. I DID NOT look at 24.Bxh7+ to decide if it would work. The final score sorta surprised me. |
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Oct-17-04
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| kevin86: So this puzzle is a lesson on what NOT to do,rather than what TO DO. I picture this type of puzzle in police academies,fire academies,etc. In these situations,people perform lots of duties-but the wrong action-rather than inaction-is what causes loss of many lives. |
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| ruylopez900: Hmm, I preferred Bxe5 first, though I guess I'm wrong since the whole sacrificial idea is wrong :) |
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| Oct-17-04 |
| white pawn: I thought 24.Bxh7? too. Good job Chessgames! You fooled me. However, I'm sure if the board were set up like that at my local chess spot, and white played 24.Bxh7, it would have won, so atleast I can have that. |
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| Oct-17-04 |
| Zaius: Analysis by Deep Fritz 8:
1. ± (0.85): 24.Rf2 Ng6 25.Bxg6 hxg6 26.Qf3 Rf8 27.Qh3 Nc5 28.Nxc5 Qxc5 29.Re4 Rfe8 30.Qe3 Qc7 31.Re2 2. ± (0.77): 24.Qh5 g6 25.Qh3 f6 26.Nd4 Nc5 27.Ne6 Qd7 28.gxf6 Bxf6 29.Rb4 Rb8 3. ± (0.60): 24.Rb4 Ng6 25.Qf3 Bf8 26.Be3 Nde5 27.Qe2 Rb8 28.Bf5 Qe7 29.Qf2 Qc7 (Depth: 14 ply, 455M nodes.) |
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| Oct-17-04 |
| Zaius: And I fell victim to the 24. Bxh7? siren as well, by the way. |
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| Oct-17-04 |
| ricardolopez: <Zaius> In your variation 1: 24.Rf2 Ng6, what about 25. Qh5? Cases of:
a. 25...N(d)e5, 26. Nd4
b. 25...Bf8, 26. Bg3.
Well, but wathever were the best moves of theses, I don't see why W is lost. I'm sure with 24. Bxh7 he is, so this might be the worst move not the best.
I can't see where I´m wrong. |
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Oct-17-04
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| JohnBoy: First of all, I got suckered in too. By way of pathetic justification, I spent about 30 secs on it and decided that soem variation of Be5, Qh5 and Bh7 won. But didn't see through to the end and walked into a poorly executed attack. Second of all, I love the twist. Chessgames ought to throw more of these at our complacent asses. Thirdly, is there a repository of puzzle games that I can look at? Like the "Game of the Day" repository? |
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Oct-17-04
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| chessgames.com: <Thirdly, is there a repository of puzzle games that I can look at? Like the "Game of the Day" repository?> For premium users like yourself, the answer is "yes." Go to your membership page here ChessGames.com Premium Membership and click on "Tactics Archive." You might also want to check over the Premium Membership Help Page for other premium-membership tips, like picking an avatar, downloading zip files, etc. |
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| Oct-18-04 |
| likestofork: <Hidden Skillz> 32. Kf2 Qxc2+ 33. Kxe1? (white has better moves, but better is a relative term. White has moves that don't lead directly to mate.) Re8+ 34. Kf1 Qe2+ 35. Kg1 Qxg4+ 36. Kf1 Qf3+ 37. Kg1 Re1++. <Chessgames.com> The hook is still in my mouth. I'm gonna have to get a pair of pliers to remove it; I'm probably in need of some morphine, too. The tragic part was that I saw the sign of a 'trap', specifically the 'What is White's best move?', and made the observation, Oh, something different (yeah, when you break it down, that's essentially what you always ask. Still, you asked it differently, and that should have been a clue.). Anyway, I then proceeded right into Brer Rabbit mode. I really liked it. |
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Oct-18-04
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| patzer2: Expanding on Crafty's line 32. Kf2 Qxc2+ 33. Nd2 [33. Kxe1? Kf1 34. Qe2+ 35. Kg1 Qxg4+ ] 33...Qf5+ 34. Qf4 Re5 35. Qxf5 Rxf5+ 36. Nf3 Rxd5 37. Rb4 Rd7 is a decisive endgame win with an exchange up and two extra pawns. |
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| Aug-09-05 |
| Whitehat1963: I would think that Csom would always be better than Nunn. Too easy! |
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Jul-22-06
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| ruinme: Wasn't Nunn winning until he got all archaic and didn't take the d6 pawn around move 21 or at least bust through with e5? |
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| Aug-22-09 |
| TheBish: 27...Nf3+! Nice move. Of course, not 27...Ng6?? 28. Qh7+ Kf8 29. Qh8+! |
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Aug-22-09
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| kevin86: What a finish! White is about to bring the fatal blow,when the hatchet falls-the OTHER way. |
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| Aug-22-09 |
| offramp: Whenever I see an early ...b6 from black I shout out "YES!! I am back!"
But when I see white fail to gambit his b2 pawn I yawn. |
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| Aug-22-09 |
| WhiteRook48: verey funny |
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Aug-22-09
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| RandomVisitor: After 23...Rfe8
1: John Nunn - Istvan Csom, Moscow ETC 1977
click for larger viewAnalysis by Rybka 3 :
[-0.06] d=21 <24.Re2> g6 25.Qe1 Bf8 26.Bg2 Bg7 27.h3 Rb8 28.Qc3 Qxc3 29.bxc3 f5 30.gxf6 Bxf6 31.c4 Rec8 32.Nd2 Nf7 33.Ne4 Bd4+ 34.Kh2 Nc5 35.Ra3 Nxe4 |
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Aug-23-09
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| RandomVisitor: After 23.Be4:
1: John Nunn - Istvan Csom, Moscow ETC 1977
click for larger viewAnalysis by Rybka 3 : <21-ply> <1. (-0.37): 23...f5> 24.Bg2 Ng6 25.Qf1 b5 26.axb6 Qxb6+ 27.Kh1 Qb5 28.Rdd4 Nc5 29.Rab4 Qxf1+ 30.Bxf1 Nxf4 31.Rxf4 Bxg5 32.Rf3 Nxb3 33.Rbxb3 a5 34.Rb6 g6 35.Ra6 Bd2 36.Rd3 Bf4 37.Rxa5 Rb8 38.b3 Rfc8 2. (-0.26): 23...Rde8 24.c3 Bd8 25.Re2 Re7 26.Rf2 Qc8 27.Rf1 f5 28.Bc2 g6 29.Nd4 Nc5 30.Ra1 Rfe8 31.Re1 b5 32.h4 Nc4 |
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