Harry Pillsbury vs Emanuel Lasker (1896) Full Nelson

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Harry Pillsbury vs Emanuel Lasker
"Full Nelson" (game of the day Nov-09-2013)
Nuremberg (1896), Nuremberg GER, rd 9, Jul-29
French Defense: Steinitz Variation (C11) · 1-0

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Mar-25-03		ughaibu: Winning against Lasker wasn't an easy matter so those who managed it often picked up a brilliancy prize at the same time.

Aug-01-03		Kenkaku: This didn't win the brilliancy prize just because Lasker was defeated, it is a truly famous game. 25. Ndxe6!

Oct-14-03		Shadout Mapes: Okay, what happens when black moves his queen on the 26th move?

Oct-14-03		ughaibu: 27.Qf5 looks strong, for example 26.....Qc8 27.Qf5 Rf8 28.Qg6 Kd7 29.Nc5 Bc5 30.e6 Kd8 31.Bg5 and mate soon.

Oct-14-03		bishop: ughaibu, in your line 29.Nc5 Bxc5 30.e6 Black looks like he can survive after ...Kd6. But 29.Nxf8+ is good enough.

Oct-14-03		drukenknight: at the end it looks like Lasker need to put more pressure on the K. Like around moves 44/45, either get the R to c1 or give check w/ the B. Havent had much time to really study it.

Mar-30-04		Kenkaku: <drukenknight> I think that Pillsbury already has a decisive advantage by move 44 (he's threatening Qxb6 if the rook moves). It would be very difficult for him to lose with the queen and a two pawn advantage in this endgame, no matter what strategy Lasker adopts.

Mar-14-05		aw1988: An amazing game, I'm suprised there isn't more kibitzing about it (I'm even more suprised I didn't kibitz on it earlier).

Mar-14-05		THE pawn: o...k....I didn't quite understand why the black queen was taken...

Mar-14-05		soberknight: <aw1988> <I'm surprised there isn't more kibitzing on it> Time for me to say something controversial. The amount of kibitzing on this website has nothing to do with the quality of games played. The silliest game will get 5 pages of kibitzing if it's nominated as Game of the Day because of a pun-friendly player name. Also, chess fans prefer certain players over others. Fischer, Tal, Alekhine and Morphy are all deserving of such admiration, but what about Nezhmetdinov? He, like Adolf Anderssen, is famous for some spectacular (and dubious) sacrifices, but his overall record is not world-class. Still, chess fans who don't care about overall record or playing strength LOVE "Super-nezh." What can I say? Pillsbury just has no friends.

Mar-14-05		THE pawn: <What can I say? Pillsbury just has no friends> Well, at least he makes good cookies!

Mar-14-05		tamar: Pillsbury already was experiencing headaches and sleeplessness at Nuremburg, but rallied in rounds 8-10 defeating Tarrasch, Lasker, and Chigorin in succession. Not bad work for July 28, 29th (this game) and 30th, 1896.

Mar-23-05		tamar: This great game was awarded the "Schonheitspreis" of 700 Marks donated by Baron von Rothschild of Vienna. It is annotated in "Das Internationale Schachturnier Des Schachclubs Nurnberg Im July-August 1896" by Dr S Tarrasch und Chr. Shroder. Tarrasch notes a similarity between this game and Gunsberg vs J Bauer, 1889 Gunsberg's idea of deflecting a piece to achieve f5 and Nf4 was probably known to Lasker since he played at Breslau 1889. Pillsbury used a similar idea, but added the hard to foresee 23 Ra1 and Rxa4 to make the attack more powerful.

Mar-24-05		tamar: 22...h4 looks slow, but it keeps the queen off g3. If 22...Nc3 23 Rb3 Bb4 24 Nxf5! exf5 25 Bd4 Ba4 26 Rxc3 Bxc3 27 Bxc3 and Black is in trouble because of the threat of e6. Does Black have a defense? I looked at 27...d4 28 Bxd4 Bb3 29 e6 Rh6 30 Qe3 and White has a winning bind.

Mar-24-05		Calli: Maybe 22...Rc8 then Tarrasch gives 23.Qg3 but perhaps 23...Qe7 24.Qg7 Qf8 defends?

Mar-24-05		tamar: <Maybe 22...Rc8 then Tarrasch gives 23.Qg3 but perhaps 23...Qe7 24.Qg7 Qf8 defends?> I didn't believe it at first, but if after 22...Rc8 23 Qg3 Qe7, Pillsbury were to try 24 Nxf5 exf5 25 Nxd5 Nc3! completely turns the tables because of the fork/check on e2. So maybe 23 Qg3 isn't a threat, so how about 22...Rc8 23 Ra1 as in the game. Does the Rook on c8 make a difference? I found a couple of lines where Black can try to use it, but White has resources as well. (It is on the diagonal line of fire if White gets in Qxf5 in some variations.) 22...Rc8 23 Ra1 Bb4 24 Rxa4 Bxa4 26 Ndxe6 Rc2 27 Nxd8 Rxf2 28 Kxf2 Kxd8 29 Nxd5 where Shredder gives a solid edge to White. Or 22...Rc8 23 Ra1 Qe7 24 Nxd5 exd5 25 Nxf5 Bxf5 26 Qxf5 Rc3 27 Bd4 with a hard to evaluate position (for me). Shredder 8 gives a mind-boggling .03 for White and suggests 27...0-0! <Calli> What would you consider the best line for Black after 22...Rc8 23 Ra1

Mar-24-05		Calli: 25...Nc3 I should have mentioned that was the point of Rc8. ;-> but you are right Pillsbury's Ra1 is better than Qg3. Well, why not 23...Bc5 since the rook now protects and you have Bxe3 on the knight sack. Looks wild still after that.

Mar-25-05		tamar: I don't see any wins for White after 23...Bc5, but then again I am not Pillsbury. Some very wild lines though, where he goes a rook down... 22...Rc8 23 Ra1 Bc5 24 Nxd5 exd5 25 Rxa4 Bxa4 26 Nxf5 Bxe3 27 Qxe3 Rh7 28 e6 f6 (28...Rc6 29 Qg3 finally gets in with threat on g8) 29 Re1 Rc6 30 Qg3 Kf8 31 e7+ Rxe7 32 Nxe7 Qxb6+ 33 Kh1 Re6 34 Ng6+ with an even game!

Mar-25-05		Calli: <tamar> your var looks reasonable! Undoubtedly, there are other fantasy variations in there. As many times as I play over this game it still amazes. Perhaps it is Pillsbury's queenside preparation with preliminary sacrifices or maybe that its not really a king attack but a demolition of Lasker's whole position. I mean there is nothing left for black at the end. The whole concept is so "big".

Mar-26-05		beatgiant: <tamar>,<Calli> I still like Tarrasch's 22...Qc8 23. Qg3. Then on 23...Qe7, how about 24. Nxf5 exf5 25. Nxd5 Qf8 26. Nf6+ Kd8 27. Nxd7 Kxd7 28. Rxf5, with what looks like a very strong attack.

Mar-26-05		Calli: <bg> read Tamar's post (25...Nc3! is the whole point!)

Mar-26-05		An Englishman: Good Evening: It looks like a Kasparov-style attack to me--one surprise after another coming from any and all points of the board. To think that the King side attack begins with 19.b6!, putting both Queenside pawns en prise!

Mar-26-05		beatgiant: <Calli> Sorry for missing the earlier post. However, I'm not quite convinced. 22...Qc8 23. Qg3 Qe7 24. Nxf5 exf5 25. Nxd5 Nc3 26. Nxc3 Rxc3 27. e6! appears to win back the piece (27...Qxe6 28. Bd4 Bc5 29. Qg7, or 27...fxe6 28. Qe5, or 27...Bxe6 28. Qg7) and continues a strong attack (28. Qb8+ is also a threat).

Mar-26-05		Calli: <bg> Maybe 23.Qg3 Qe7 24.Nxf5 exf5 25.Nxd5 Nc3 26.Nxc3 Rxc3 27.e6 fxe6 28.Qe5 Rg8 29.Qxc3 Bd6 and about equal?

Mar-26-05		tamar: I see <beatgiant> found 27 e6! which would turn the tables back! These miracle blows that could have occurred make the game even more fascinating. It is like watching a postmortem of Sherlock Holmes and Professor Moriarty struggling to the death up on Reichenbach Falls.

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