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|Jul-27-13|| ||cyclon: In Today's Puzzle I'd go for 12. Rxe7 Qxe7 13. Qf3 and materially speaking White should win two light pieces for the Rook;|
1. 13. -Bf5 ( 13. -Bg4 14. Qf4 sustains threats ) 14. Nxf5 gxf5 15. Qg3 Nh5 ( 15. -f4 16. Qh4 / 15. -Kh8 16. Qh4 / 15. -Kg7 16. Bxf6+ Kxf6 17. Qh4+ Ke6 18. Re1+ ) 16. Bxe7 ( 16. Qh4? f6 ) -16. -Nxg3 17. fxg3 Rfe8 18. Bf6 f5-pawn falls, but there's still game left though it's White's clear edge.
2. 13. -Kg7 14. Nce4 dxe4 ( 14. -Bg4? 15. Bxf6+ Kg8 [ 15. -Kh6 16. Qf4+ ] 16. Qxg4 over ) 15. Nxe4 Bf5 ( 15. -Qxe4 16. Qxf6+ Kg8 17. Bh6 mates next, or 15. -Bg4 16. Bxf6+ Kg8 17. Qf4 curfew) 16. Bxf6+ Kg8 ( 16. -Qxf6 17. Nxf6 Kxf6 18. g4 ) 17. Bxe7 Bxe4 18. Qf6.
3. 13. -Bg4 14. Qf4 transposes ( 14. Bxf6 maintaining slight material plus )
Maybe I've overlooked something here, let's see. Yesterday's Puzzle was very difficult in my view and didn't have time enough to solve it.
|Jul-27-13|| ||FSR: This doesn't seem very hard, but no doubt the fact that I've seen it before (I think in Spielmann's classic <The Art of Sacrifice in Chess>) helps greatly. 10.Rxe7! Qxe7 11.Qf3! Kg7 12.Nce4! dxe4 13.Nxe4 and Black gets mated off the board, since 13...Qxe4 14.Bxf6+ wins the queen for starters.|
|Jul-27-13|| ||FSR: <Nick46: Wahle's initial handicap: unlike Rudolf he doesn't even get the benefit of a full Christian name. Does somebody out there know it?>|
I don't, but I believe he had a brother named JustAnotherBrickInThe.
|Jul-27-13|| ||newzild: <M.Hassan> Your move 17...Rd8 doesn't make any sense, because White can simply play 18. Bxd8.|
Better is 17...Re8!, when 18. Nc5 is met by 18...Re6! White can't play 19. Qh6 because of 19...Rxf6. White can win back the exchange with 19. Nxe6 Bxe6, but then 20. Qh6 is met by 20...Qf8.
White is a pawn up, but Black can play on.
After 15...Kg8 I would personally prefer 16. Nxf6+ Kh8 (not 16...Kg7 17. Nh5+) 17. Nxh7, leading to a two-pawn advantage.
|Jul-27-13|| ||FSR: Black should have played 9...h6! 10.Bf4 (10.Bh4?? g5) c6 11.Nf5 Bxf5 12.Qxf5 Qd7=.|
|Jul-27-13|| ||Dionysius1: That's lovely - at the end of the combination Spielmann is still down the exchange, but the loss of black's BSQ means white has a winning position.|
|Jul-27-13|| ||Dionysius1: Sorry <zanshin> after all this time, but your diagram of the position with W to play at move 12 is wrong - it's the R at a1 that has moved to e1. So Rybka's 17 Nf1 isn't possible. But it is interesting that 13...Bg4 might have been better than 13... Kg7|
|Jul-27-13|| ||Calli: <Wahle's initial handicap> fullname is Robert Wahle (submitted)|
The tournament was the 10th Trebitsch. The Weiner Schach-Zeitung summarized Wahle's performance:
Ing. Wahle, der sich die Teilnahmsberechtigung durch seine günstige Plazierung im Amateurturnier des Weiner Schachklubs erkämpft hatte, war wohl für das Turnier zu schwach, aber er zeigte, dass er nicht unterschätzt werden darf. Becker, Müller und fast auch Dr. Gruber konnten von Glück reden, dass sie nicht gegen ihn verloren.
Says something like:
Wahle got in because of his placement in Amateur tournaments at the Vienna chess club, but proved too weak (zu schwach) for the event. Still, he should not be underestimated (unterschätzt) as Becker, Müller and Dr. Gruber were lucky to not lose to him.
Question: What does 'Ing." mean? It is a title of some sort.
|Jul-27-13|| ||ray keene: ing german abbreviation for engineer-an honoured title implying real achievement|
|Jul-27-13|| ||kevin86: The rook sac enabled white to carry out his attack.|
|Jul-27-13|| ||Calli: <ray keene> Thanks, Ray! Ingenieur auf Deutsch.|
|Jul-27-13|| ||chrisowen: Aint re g5 a tete thinking about it double in dig,
ok debatable wasnt it Rudulf who claimed vienna,
should win am in ko one rake over feat? Exclaim,
delve go beating bush change hinge f6 ray of hope,
good banter in cage it is again blowing bishop in dervish all the rage mi-best fit agree pile on feed,
it now in g6 I jocular castle and cajole seek on find c6 too bedded down nowt in a bit rook aka,
cross the line mister e1 bare-fangs.
|Jul-27-13|| ||al wazir: <beatgiant: 13...Bf5 14. Nxf5 gxf5 15. Qg3> |
A) 15...Kh8 18. Qh4 Kg7 19. Qh6+.
B) 15...Nh5 16. Bxe7+ (16. Qh4 f6 17. Bh6 Ng7) Nxg3 17. hxg3 Re8 18. Ba3, and the ♙ on f5 is dead.
C) 15...Ne4 16. Bxe7 Nxg3, etc., as in B). (If 16. Nxe4, then 16...Qxe4 17. Bf6+ Qg4.)
In B) and C) white gets two pieces and a ♙ for a ♖. It still looks better for black than what was played.
|Jul-27-13|| ||BOSTER: <FSR 10.Rxe7! Qxe7 11. Qf3! Kg7 12.Nce4! dxe4 13.Nxe4 and black gets mated... or wins the queen>.
You have wrong numbers of moves, nevertheless.
But after 12.Rxe7 Qxe7 13.Qf3 Bg4 14.Qf4 Nh5 15.Qxg4 f6 white has no any brilliance.
|Jul-27-13|| ||Jimfromprovidence: Like a lot of kibitzers have said, 13...Bg4 busts up the brilliancy.|
It's interesting to see what happens if white continues with the same plan as in the text, following 13...Bg4 with 14 Qf4.
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Now after 14...Kg7 15 Nce4 dxe4 16 Nxe4 here is the position.
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In this case, black has the counterattacking move 16...Nd5 and white loses material.
|Jul-27-13|| ||PositionalTactician: To Jimfromprovidence:
I totally agree with your line, but I disagree with your opinion that White's brilliancy is busted. In the other lines, White can win 2 pieces for the rook and obtain better position (for example after Qf4 Kg7 try Bxf6 followed by Qxg4) Of course the game will continue, but I think that such sidelines with comfortable advantage, instead of ruining the brilliancy, actually reinforces the soundness of it.
|Jul-27-13|| ||M.Hassan: <newzild: <M.Hassan> Your move 17...Rd8 doesn't make any sense, because White can simply play 18. Bxd8.>|
It makes lots of sense. It means take me (the Rook) instead of mating me. If Rook moves to e8, it is as follows:
18.Nd6 Re6 as you mention
20.Ne8 threatening mate on g7
|Jul-27-13|| ||patcheck: Material is equal. There are many possible tries to take advantage of the pinned knight :
A) 12. Qe2 or Qe3 to what black should answer 12. … Be6 (not 12. … Re8? 13. Bxf6 and white wins a piece) and black may be able to defend its position|
B) 12. Qf3 threatening Rxe7 followed by Bxf6 to what black could maybe answer12. … Be6 [12. … Re8? 13. Bxf6 Bxf6 14. Rxe8+ Qxe8 15. Qxf6 winning the bishop / 12. … Bg4 ?! 13. Qf4 Nh5?! 14. Nxh5 Bxg5 15. Qxg4 gxh5 16. Qxh5 winning a pawn with a good position / 12. … Kg7 seems risky after 13. Qf4 threatening 14. Qf6+ winning the quality]
C) 12. Re5 with many threats and a big difficulty for black to defends itself, for instance 12. … Bd6 13. Re1 and black can’t play 13. … Bxe5 14. fxe5 loosing the pinned knight.
D) 12. Rxe7 Qxe7 13. Qf3 Kg7 (not 13. … Bf5 14. Nxf5 gxf5 15. Qxf5 and black lost a pawn without solving its problems) with two interesting options for white : 14. Nce4 or 14. Qf4
D1) 14. Nce4 dxe4 [not 14. … Bg4 15. Bxf6+ Kg8 16. Qxg4 winning for white, nor 14. … Qxe4?? 15. Qxf6+ Kg8 16. Bh6 and black has to give its queen to avoid the mate in g7. Doesn’t work either 14. … Nxe4 15. Bxe7 Nd2 16. Bf6+ Kg8 17. Qf4 and black can’t avoid Qh6 followed by Qg7#] 15. Nxe4
D1a) 15. … Qxe4 16. Qxf6+ Kg8 17. Bh6 and as we saw, black has to give its queen to avoid mate.
D1b) 15. … Nxe4 16. Bxe7 Nd2 17. Bf6+ Kg8 18. Kf4 and black is lost in the same way we’ve seen before.
So, there is no need to check the line D2 (12. Rxe7 Qxe7 13. Qf3 Kg7 14. Qf4) because we just saw that 14. Nce4 wins for white.
In conclusion, I think that 12. Re5 should be too a winning line for white but 12. Rxe7 Qxe7 13. Qf3 seems a more forcing line. Time to check
|Jul-27-13|| ||BOSTER: <Positional Tactician White can win 2 pieces for the rook>.|
But I'm not really sure that you can win the ending two knight plus pawns vs rook with pawns.
|Jul-27-13|| ||thegoodanarchist: Since 12 is my favorite number, I couldn't be happier that today's puzzle began with move 12! It's the little things that mean a lot....|
|Jul-27-13|| ||thegoodanarchist: <ray keene: ing german abbreviation for engineer-an honoured title implying real achievement>|
It's nice to have a European (and GM at that!) roaming these pages to explain such things.
|Jul-28-13|| ||Nick46: <Calli: <Wahle's initial handicap> fullname is Robert Wahle (submitted)> Dankeschön Calli. I am Keene to express my thanks. (To FSR too, of course, for filling in the gaps.)|
|Jul-30-13|| ||LIFE Master AJ: There are very few books - that I know of on Spielmann. |
I have one, I like it a lot. "The Chess Career of Rudolf Spielmann, <Vol. I> 1903-1926." (Edited and arranged by Jack L. Spence. Published in Omaha, NEB, 1961; Alfred Kalnaj's Printing Co.) Little red book, I have searched in vain for Volume II, I must assume that it was never printed. (Does anyone know differently?)
This game is the last game of that book.
|Jul-30-13|| ||SimonWebbsTiger: @<AJ>
VOL II was never printed.
|Jul-14-14|| ||The Snark: This is game seven in Chernev's "Logical Chess Move by Move" book.He considers the move 9...g6 to be the key mistake for black, since it removes the knight's protection, as well as leaving the h6 square vulnerable.|
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