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|Nov-30-05|| ||erimiro1: In such cases the game almost loses the spirit of chess, and begins a wild race between the 2 sides, in which the goal is to check the other side till the mate. Here, white realized that he couldn't stop the "a" pawn, so he developed a deadly attack from 32.g5! (the move that proves that he planned everything). In his 33rd move he, wisely, moved his king to a shelter and later he created the background to his "check-check and mate" formula.|
|Nov-30-05|| ||Marvol: Again I must object to the deifying of a chess master.|
<erimiro1: (...) he developed a deadly attack from 32.g5! (the move that proves that he planned everything)>
Take a look at the final position.
Take a look at the position after 32. g5! Realise how many possibilities black had to play another move.
There is no way under this sun that white planned to mate black on the 43rd move after a rook-sac to deflect one of black queens. No way, ever. 13 full moves ahead, many of them unforced, no way.
White merely plays g5 because, if he ever is going to win he reckons he has to mate black SOMEHOW and to achieve that, he has to summon up an attack. How? Push the g-pawn, get the rook to the h-file, push the h-pawn and hope that it will work, somehow.
Or is that what was meant by the phrase "planned"? In which case is it quite a liberal use of the word.
Oh and one more thing, if white is so amazingly good that he can plan 14 moves ahead, why did he get himself in such a mess to begin with? He should've won easily in the early middlegame...
|Nov-30-05|| ||gazzawhite: I instead went:
40. ♖h8+ ♗xh8 (or ...♔xh8 41. ♕c8+) 41. ♕c8+ ♔g7 42. ♕b7+ , and black cannot prevent mate with the Queen on f7. Does this work too, or am I missing something?
|Nov-30-05|| ||Marvol: <gazzawhite> I guess you're missing 42...Kxg6 and black's more than OK.|
|Nov-30-05|| ||erimiro1: <Marvol>I didn't mean to claim that white planned everything till the mate. On the contrary: As I wrote, the game became a wild race, after white realized that he can't stop the "a" pawn. When I'm saying "wild" I mean, that not many calculations were done there. White planned (and not calculted!) to put his pieces in their positions, and to attack the enemy king in the right time (when black queened the pawn). I don't really think that he saw everytihng even after 37.h:g6. The ! I gave to 32.g5 is because many could think about 32.h5? and then 32. -g5 blocks everything.|
|Nov-30-05|| ||monad: My Prequel: Had Black queened the d-pawn instead, he would have lured away the white Rook from the h-file and things would have been a little more balanced.|
|Nov-30-05|| ||Marvol: <erimiro1> OK good, then we agree :-).|
I don't object to your 32.g5! exclamation mark (notice I copied it) as I agree with you it is practically white's best chance. I ran the sequence through Fritz who after h5 and Rh1 each significantly increases its love for black's position. However, this is a human game and psychology is a factor.
Black made the error of stopping to think and just race a pawn to queening. The wrong pawn, for that matter, as monad correctly mentions that queening the d-pawn would have made things very different.
|Nov-30-05|| ||gazzawhite: <Marvol> Whoa, you are most certainly right, I did miss that. My mistake, thanks for point it out. All I can say is, whoops!|
|Nov-30-05|| ||CavalloNero: 41...Kg7 would be better, don't see mate for white after that escape?|
|Nov-30-05|| ||YouRang: Not too hard. 40. Qc8+ was a no brainer, with 40...Bf8 practically forced. |
The trick was to sac the rook on move 41 to deflect (a) the king from its defense of the bishop, or (b) the queen from its defense against 42. Qe6+ Kg7 43. Qf7#.
Excellent coordination of pieces by White, while Black's massive forces were poorly coordinated.
|Nov-30-05|| ||dakgootje: Missed a it...quite long time ago that i missed a wednesday puzzle...Of course white didnt play 38. g5 because he calculated it completely through, however because white thought that after that move he had a winning attack. Because its simply impossible, at least for us being humans, to calculate a position with that much variations to calculate only like the 4 most obvious variations if they go this deep. Because of the same i-might-have-a-winning-attack-here-feeling i went for 40. ♗d5 assuming the attack was winning. Thus and because it was 'only' a wedsenday puzzle i was, stupidly enough, too lazy to calculate whether it REALLY was going to go mate. and it didnt. So maybe i did learn MORE from missing this puzzle then correctly calculating it, because i know this way that i cant trust my feeling this much even though the best way to see in a game whether there might be a really good/winning move is your feeling about the position, which normally depends on possible attack and such things|
|Nov-30-05|| ||dakgootje: ps besides a nice puzzle its a very good game too and not too hard to understand, So for the ones who did only look at the puzzle and the sollution plz look at the game itself too|
|Nov-30-05|| ||yoshi927: What's wrong with 40 Bxd5+ Kg8 41 Qc5+ Ke8 42 Rxh7 and black is about to lose to either Qc8, or Qf8. If Black tries either check, or both cheecks, his Queens get taken and the threat is still there. If black tries to line up a mate, it's mate for him before he can play it.|
|Nov-30-05|| ||YouRang: <yoshi927> I don't understand your line: |
<What's wrong with 40 Bxd5+ Kg8> (Isn't the black king already on g8?)
<41 Qc5+> (How does the queen go from e5 to c5 with the bishop now on d5?)
|Nov-30-05|| ||kevin86: It's a simple position,but many ways to go wrong. A bit of a sticky wicket. I tried Rh8+ and Bxd5+ both fail.|
|Nov-30-05|| ||Chnebelgrind: <kevin86> There is some material this week for your Game Collection: polygamy|
|Nov-30-05|| ||dakgootje: yeah this whole week there will probably be games for <kevin86>'s collection ;-)|
|Nov-30-05|| ||Sneaky: I got this one but it took me way too long. I didn't see Qe6+ until much trial and error.|
|Nov-30-05|| ||EmperorAtahualpa: I thought I had it after 45 seconds, but I was wrong!|
I had 40.Rh8+ Kxh8 41.Qc8+ in mind, but was unaware of Black's ability to defend with 40.Rh8+ Bxh8 41.Qc8+ Kg7.
|Nov-30-05|| ||TTLump: <Trouble> your line looks tempting for white, but this also looks like one of those positions where the first person to make a NON-checking move loses! In your line, after gxf6, black has Qf1+! and white dare not take it, and Black begins a nasty counterattack with 2 Queens. I think white still wins, but it is not without some scary moments!|
|Nov-30-05|| ||yoshi927: <YouRang> Sorry about that, change that to Kf8.|
|Nov-30-05|| ||TTLump: <legi> insightful comment re: 41... Kg7, but white can do much better and as you seemed to sense, it is in this unplayed variation where the true brilliance of this combination shines! ...
41... Kg7, 42.Qxf8+ Kxg6, 43.Qg8+! (this was the move I couldn't visualize until I had the pieces on the board) Kf5, (the more obvious interposition, 43... Qg7 is met with 44.Qe6+ Qgf6 (or Qaf6, 45. Bh5+ Kxg5, 46. Qg4#) 45.Bh5+ Kg7, 46.Qg8# (or 45... Kxg5, Qg4# )), 44.e4+! (an especially brilliant move, especially when you consider how many moves ahead Vladimirov must have seen this!) Qxe4 (if 44.Kf4, Rh4#), 45.Qf7+ Qf6, 46. Qxf6# ... and I am sure I haven't covered all of the subtle variations. I am in total awe of the mind that visualized this amazing combination with all its variations! |
|Dec-02-05|| ||patzer2: Despite Black's two Queens, White decisively exploits the weak Black king position with 40. Qc8+! to set up the decoy pseudo-sacrifice 41. Rh8+! for a mate to follow.|
|Jul-19-08|| ||The Ninth Pawn: From Game Collection: The Ninth Pawn's Chess Course :|
In E Vladimirov vs D Donchev, 1975 , 41. ♖h7-h8+! is a DECOY in two count 'em two different ways. Both lead to mate: 41. ... ♔g8x♖f8 42. ♕c8x♗f8++, or as played, 41. ... ♕e5x♖f8 42. ♕c8-e6+ 1-0.
|Feb-21-09|| ||WhiteRook48: <The Ninth Pawn> the rook was on h8, not f8.|
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