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Tomas Oral vs Marian Kantorik
TCh-SVK (2000), rd 4, Nov-26
Scotch Game: Modern Defense (C45)  ·  1-0


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Jan-16-06  Mendrys: <Subes82> After 15)...Qc7 white simply wins with 16) Bb6! I wonder when white obtains a better game. I am thinking that the knight sac 11.) Nd6 may be unsound. Black's real blunder seems to be 13)...Ne7. Any thoughts on this?
Jan-16-06  erimiro1: <al wazir> Black is dead already after 16.Q:d5, and the clock is stopped. Now if you want to shoot the body again, the best, after 16.-Q:b5 is simply 17.Q:Q with Bb6#.
Jan-16-06  WayneCramp: hehe, 'oral'.
Jan-16-06  LIFE Master AJ: This game is (now) annotated on my website. (
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  jaime gallegos: Hey LIFE Master , this is the definition in wikipedia:

" Life Master is a chess title awarded by the United States Chess Federation. To be awarded this title, one must hold a master's rating of over 2200 for at least 300 tournament chess games. "

" Since the USCF Policy Board changed its rules to award the Life Master title to anyone who had ever held the master title for even one game, the Life Master title is now known as the OLM Title, which stands for "Original Life Master".

300 tournament games ??? R u kidding me ???

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  kevin86: I goofed a Monday puzzle-yeccchhh!

I missed the escape after:16♗b6 ♘xb6 17 ♕e7+ ♔c7 . The text of course wins after 16 ♕xd5 ♕xd5 17 ♗b6#

Jan-16-06  hayton3: <jaime gallegos> <300 tournament games ??? R u kidding me ???> Good point - he only has 45 games in the database. Many of these are internet games and we know of at least one which is pure fabrication.
Jan-16-06  TTLump: A simple two move mate you might think ... until ....

16. ... Qc7, and suddenly it is not quite so obvious (at least not MONDAY obvious!), the best way for White to continue ...

perhaps ...

17. Qg5+ f6
18. Qxg7 Qd6
19. Rad1 Re8 (now it's obvious!)

20. Rxd6 Rxe3
21. Qxf6+ Kc7
22. Rxe3 h5
23. Qe5 b6
24. Red3 Kd8
25. Rf6 d6
26. Qxd6+ Bd7
27. Rf8#

Jan-16-06  morpstau: A nice attack after stopping his opponent from castling after balck greedily grabs the pawn qxe4. A simple two move mate you might think ... until .... 16. ... Qc7, and suddenly it is not quite so obvious (at least not MONDAY obvious!), the best way for White to continue ...

perhaps ...

17. Qg5+ f6
18. Qxg7 Qd6
19. Rad1 Re8 (now it's obvious!)

20. Rxd6 Rxe3
21. Qxf6+ Kc7
22. Rxe3 h5
23. Qe5 b6
24. Red3 Kd8
25. Rf6 d6
26. Qxd6+ Bd7
27. Rf8#

Jan-16-06  LIFE Master AJ: <jaime>
"300 tournament games ??? R u kidding me ???"

No, and I did it in less than 2 years. We USED to have dozens of local events. Mobile, Panama City, Hurlburt, Eglin, Biloxi, Pensacola, Tallahassee, ... ... ... all of these cities used to hold 2-3 events a year. (Mobile sometimes had 10 or more events per year.) Then I used to drive to Mobile nearly every Friday nite, we would play as many as seven games of G/30 per meeting. Panama City and and several other areas used to have intensely active chess clubs.

Today, I don't think anyone in the above list has had even one good (rated) tourney in the last year!

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  dzechiel: Spent the better part of a minute trying to mate black with various checks from the bishop and queen without success. Finally realized that all I had to do was get rid of the knight and the clouds parted to reveal the obvious move.

One gets the impression that white was setting this all up with 14 Rfe1 and just hoping that black would move one of the knights to d5.

Jan-16-06  TTLump: <morpstau: A nice attack after stopping his opponent from castling after balck greedily grabs the pawn qxe4> this is the standard C45 line of the Scotch, up until move 9... a6 which I think is Black's first mistake, better would have been 9... Nf6 and excellent chances for both sides with lively play.

I dislike the Scotch as Black for the reasons you cite, no castling, lag in development, premature Queen deployment, etc., BUT, however good White's position LOOKS after 9... a6, 10.Bf3 Qc4, ... 11.Nd6!? is somewhat speculative and I believe black should be able to refute this Knight sac, ie: 11... cxd6, 12.Qxd6 Nge7 (instead of Nf6),

12... Nf6 wasn't terrible, but the follow up 13... Ne7 was a mistake and then after 14.Rfe1, he must have been rattled by the knowledge of the deep hole he was in and played the blunder 14... Nfd5??

It is very easy for Black to fall into this kind of trouble playing C45, which is why I avoid it in serious games.

Jan-16-06  morpstau: YES I AGREE WITH YOU ttlump. Your lines are accurate and yes this is the defense Steinitz used exclusively against the Scotch game. Black gains a strong center pawn but gets problems with his development and king safety. Steinitz loves odd king placement so this sharp line of defense attracted him.
Jan-17-06  LIFE Master AJ: Did anyone look at my analysis yet?
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  patzer2: Following White's surprise deflection (i.e. removing the guard) tactic 16. Qxd5!, Black resigned.

If 16...Qc7, then 17. Qxf2! wins.

Jan-18-06  LIFE Master AJ: <patzer2> Do me a favor? Look at the web page - and then send me an e-mail.
Jan-18-06  hayton3: Here is another game in the Steinitz Variation of the Scotch; this time showing the dangers for White if he is not prepared for the complications. A long game were White needlessly played on despite having lost early in the middlegame.

[Event "Internet Section 16-B"]
[Site "Dos Hermanas"]
[Date "2003.03.16"]
[Round "8"]
[White "Goldsby,AJ"]
[Black "Hamilton,Timothy"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Eco "C45"]

1.e4 Nc6 2.d4 e5 3.Nf3 exd4 4.Nxd4 Qh4 5.Nb5 Bc5 6.Qe2 Nd4 7.Nxd4 Bxd4 8.c3 Bb6 9.g3 Qe7 10.Bg2 Nf6 11.0-0 0-0 12.Na3 d6 13.Nc4 Bg4 14.Qd3 d5 15.exd5 Be2 16.Re1 Bxd3 17.Rxe7 Bxc4 18.Bg5 Nxd5 19.Re4 Bd3 20.Re5 c6 21.Bxd5 cxd5 22.Rxd5 Be4 23.Rb5 f6 24.Bf4 g5 25.Rb4 Bf3 26.Be3 Bxe3 27.fxe3 Rae8 28.Kf2 g4 29.h3 h5 30.hxg4 hxg4 31.a4 Rd8 32.e4 Rd2+ 33.Ke3 Re2+ 34.Kf4 Re8 35.Kf5 R2xe4 36.Rxe4 Rxe4 37.Kxf6 Re2 38.b4 Rc2 39.Re1 Rxc3 40.Re8+ Kh7 41.Re7+ Kh6 42.b5 Rc4 43.Re8 Be4 44.a5 Bh7 45.Re7 Be4 46.Re8 Rd4 47.Ke5 Rb4 48.Re6+ Bg6 49.b6 Rb5+ 50.Kf6 axb6 51.axb6 Rf5+ 52.Ke7 Rf3 53.Kd7 Rc3 54.Ke7 Kg5 55.Kd8 Bf5 56.Re5 Rc8+ 57.Ke7 Rc6 58.Rb5 Rc3 59.Kd6 Kf6 60.Rb4 Bc8 61.Rb2 Rxg3 62.Kc7 Rc3+ 63.Kb8 g3 64.Rd2 Kg5 65.Rd8 Bf5 66.Kxb7 g2 67.Rd1 Be4+ 68.Ka6 Ra3+ 69.Kb5 Rb3+ 70.Kc5 Rb1 71.Rxb1 Bxb1 72.b7 g1=Q+ 73.Kd6 Qa7 74.Kc7 Be4 75.Kd6 Qxb7 76.Ke6 Qc6+ 77.Ke7 Bd5 78.Kd8 Qb7 79.Ke8 Qc7 80.Kf8 Qf7+ 0-1

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  patzer2: <Life Master AJ> Looked at your analysis and forwarded an EMAIL per your request. As usual, I enjoyed it and appreciate the time and effort you put into making it a quality product.
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  offramp: The ...Qh4 idea is not Steinitz's - it is in fact a product of the crazy world of NN, The Turk vs NN, 1770.
Jan-20-06  LIFE Master AJ: NO!! The idea IS attributed to Steinitz. (Have you ever read even one chess book?)

He was definitely the FIRST to use AND analyze this in any detail.

IF you visited my web page (on this game) ... you would know this.

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  offramp: Howard Staunton also did some analysis of the 4...Qh4 line in his Chess-Player's Handbook of 1847.
Jan-20-06  hayton3: <LIFE Master AJ: NO!! The idea IS attributed to Steinitz. (Have you ever read even one chess book?)> Go back to your website with your foolish comments - Sveshnikov didn't discover e5 in the Sicilian either but he analysed and popularised it.
Feb-28-06  LIFE Master AJ: I wonder - can you access that (Staunton's Handbook) on the Internet (now)?
Oct-24-10  LIFE Master AJ:

My analysis of this game ...

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  perfidious: <...NO!! (4....Qh4) IS attributed to Steinitz....He was definitely the FIRST to use AND analyze this in any detail....>

This is correct, and it rightly bears his name in the literature.

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