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Jose Raul Capablanca vs Leonard B Meyer
Rapid-transit t (1908), Manhattan CC, New York, NY USA, Mar-05
Spanish Game: Morphy Defense. Mackenzie Variation (C77)  ·  1-0
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Aug-14-04
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  Zenchess: I had all 6 of my engines do blitz shootouts from the final position and 4 of them were able to draw with Black. Black can draw by penetrating White's position, picking off some pawns, and creating a passer or forcing a perpetual. White may be better here, but he has a lot more trouble coordinating his pieces than Black does.
Aug-15-04  Lawrence: Ah, the thraldom of only having 6 engines. Did you say blitz?
Aug-16-04
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  Zenchess: Yeah, I said blitz. I also had Chess Tiger do longer analysis; the best it could do for White was +1.00.
Aug-16-04  Lawrence: <Zenchess>, Junior 8 can't find even that, and after a 25 min. chew gives

10.......Nd5
11.Qxd5 Bxd5
12.Bxd5 Qf6
13.Nxf7 c6
14.Nxh8 cxd5
15.0-0 Bd6 eval -0.10 i.e. equality

Aug-17-04
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  Zenchess: I don't have Junior, but I'd like to. None of my engines ventured into this line, but Junior must be a cold-blooded defender.
Feb-22-06  Whitehat1963: Fun little puzzle after 8...Bb7. Enjoy.
Feb-22-06  Whitehat1963: What about 10...Bd5?
Feb-23-06  Whitehat1963: Come to think of it, what about: 10...Nd5
11. Bxd5 Bxd6
12. Nxf7 Qb8 (Qc8? 13. Bxb7)
May-11-07  jellyace: 10. ... Bd5 loses two pieces after 11. Bxd5 Nxd5 12. Qxd5.

On 10. ... Nd5, 11. Qxd7+ Qxd7 12. Nxd7 Kxd7 equalizes. White cannot afford R+N vs Q because he is badly behind in development and will lose a lot of pawns by the endgame.

Oct-25-07  GSankarN: Why did Meyer have to resign?
Oct-25-07  Karpova: <GSankarN: Why did Meyer have to resign?>

After 10.Qxd6 black is down a piece and white threatens checkmate (that's why black can't take the queen: 10...cxd6 11.Bxf7#)

May-10-08  egarcillan: maybe white lose after Nd5!! white queenless
Mar-25-09  WhiteRook48: <egarcillian>
after 10 Qxd6 Nd5 11 Qxd5 Bxd5 12 Bxd5 white has two knights and a bishop for the queen
Nov-25-09  PinName: As a casual player, I'm sure I'm missing something, but why not 10...Qc8?
Nov-25-09
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  Chessical: <Pinname> After <10...Qc8> 11. Bxf7+ Kd8 12. Qd3 White is a Knight up with no problems.
Dec-08-09  PinName: I guess. Black can still pick off the g-pawn. It just seems a little early to throw in the towel.
Feb-18-10  estebansponton: black has not to resign. Interestin position before 10... Nd5 11 Qxd5 Bxd5 12 Bxd5 Bb4+ !? 13 c3 0-0 with advantage for white but the position is no clair
Feb-29-12  Kartagener: what if
.... 10.Nd5
11. Qxd7 Qxd7
12. Nxd7 Kxd7
13. 0-0

Isnīt the game equal then ?

Feb-29-12
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  maxi: <Kartagener> Yes, it would seem so to me. But, in practice and especially against a player that is playing the position for the first time, Black's position is difficult to play, even if it is not inferior...
Mar-02-13  Whitehat1963: Congratulations!
Feb-06-16
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  TheFocus: "J.R. Capablanca proved to be the winner in the rapid transit tournament at the Manhattan Chess Club, on March 5, sixteen players having entered the competition which was conducted under a time limit of twenty seconds a move. L.B. Meyer took the second prize. The latter lost to Capablanca in the final round in the following curious fashion: Ruy Lopez 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.d4 Nxe4 6.d5 Ne7 7.Nxe5 b5 8.Bb3 Bb7 9.d6 Nxd6 10.Qxd6 threatening mate by Bxf7+. Meyer, who was Black, resigned here, overlooking the fact that he still had a fighting chance by playing ...Nd5, intercepting the Bishop and disclosing on the Queen. In this case, Capablanca either would have had to play Qxd5+ and return the piece or exchange his Queen for three pieces," - <American Chess Bulletin>, June 1908, pg. 117.
Jun-27-17  bla bla: very niceeeeee combinatioooon
Nov-25-17
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  tpstar: <Meyer, who was Black, resigned here, overlooking the fact that he still had a fighting chance by playing 10 ... Nd5, intercepting the Bishop and disclosing on the Queen. In this case, Capablanca either would have had to play Qxd5+ and return the piece or exchange his Queen for three pieces>

So they found it in 1908!

This miniature is now around with different names.

Nov-25-17
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  MissScarlett: < In this case, Capablanca either would have had to play Qxd5+ and return the piece or exchange his Queen for three pieces," - <American Chess Bulletin>, June 1908, pg. 117.>

I was about to write that this is incorrect, when I thought I'd better check the original source. Turns out <TheFocus> and not the <ACB> was in the wrong - they have <QxQPch>, i.e., Qxd7+, not Qxd5+.

Sep-10-18  romancitog: Black certainly need not resign in this position. I don't see how black didn't notice Nd5 as this move should have been relatively easy to find and would make the position more or less equal.
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